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[iamamuslim]

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Aqal Ka Daerakar BY Justice Mufti Taqi Usmani

[moazzamniaz]

چھوڑ نا بھائی! ان سب چیزوں کی اہمیت اسوقت تک تھی کہ جب تک بنی نوع انسان دھکے شکے کھا کر موجودہ مقام تک نہیں پہنچی تھی. اب یہ تمام قوانین بغیر کسی مذہبی بنیاد کے ترقی یافتہ ممالک کا حصہ بن چکے ہیں. مسلم دنیا اسلام کے اولین دنوں کی طرح اگر آج بھی طاقتور ترین، مہذب ترین، ترقی یافتہ، علم میں سب سے آگے اور خوشحال ترین ہوتی تو ہمیں ہر روز اسلام کی خوبصورتی کے بارے میں اس قسم کے مضامین نہ لکھنے پڑتے. بلکہ اسلام کا جادو سر چڑھ کر بولتا. اب تو صرف خود احتسابی، صبر، حکمت، اصلاح اور انتھک محنت کا وقت ہے

خدا کی فراہم کردہ عقل کی دشمنی نجانے ہمیں کہاں لے جاۓ گی!!!!!!!ا

[iamamuslim]

چھوڑ نا بھائی! ان سب چیزوں کی اہمیت اسوقت تک تھی کہ جب تک بنی نوع انسان دھکے شکے کھا کر موجودہ مقام تک نہیں پہنچی تھی. اب یہ تمام قوانین بغیر کسی مذہبی بنیاد کے ترقی یافتہ ممالک کا حصہ بن چکے ہیں. مسلم دنیا اسلام کے اولین دنوں کی طرح اگر آج بھی طاقتور ترین، مہذب ترین، ترقی یافتہ، علم میں سب سے آگے اور خوشحال ترین ہوتی تو ہمیں ہر روز اسلام کی خوبصورتی کے بارے میں اس قسم کے مضامین نہ لکھنے پڑتے. بلکہ اسلام کا جادو سر چڑھ کر بولتا. اب تو صرف خود احتسابی، صبر، حکمت، اصلاح اور انتھک محنت کا وقت ہے

خدا کی فراہم کردہ عقل کی دشمنی نجانے ہمیں کہاں لے جاۓ گی!!!!!!!ا

Aqal ki dushmani kahan say aa gae bhae meray...if u say,then answer above question asked about marrying sister ACCORDING TO AQAL ONLY..

[moazzamniaz]

Aqal ki dushmani kahan say aa gae bhae meray...if u say,then answer above question asked about marrying sister ACCORDING TO AQAL ONLY..

You are talking about sisters, acc to science even marriage with 2nd and 3rd cousins leads to increased birth defects, spontaneous abortions, malformed babies and much more mess. Muslims of middle east and Asheknzai Jews of eastern europe are still suffering from the consequences of these unhealthy practices. Now, what kind of stupid person will ever think about marrying his own sister!!!!!

And what is so specific about Islam in this???? 3/4th of world population(Non-muslim) does not practice it and they are not muslim. So from where this solution of Islamisation( In fact Talibanization) comes into play???

[iamamuslim]

so tell me

1-Before 20th century, how people knew about this fact??????

2-if any study comes in favour of incest ,then should it be legalised??????

see the comparison...first cousin has least effect than other factors,,WHY NOT ALL GOVTS ban other factors than????????????



and for ur "aqal e kul" , whats ur aqal says for homosexuality??[COLOR="Silver"]

[iamamuslim]

kahan gay mian?

[iamamuslim]

[MENTION=110828]moazzamniaz[/MENTION] i am waiting for ur reply on"scientific view on homosexuality"..please support ur point by aqal??????

[lolipop2]

kahan gay mian?

گورے کی گھاس چرنے ۔ ---------- Post added at 10:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:51 PM ----------

چھوڑ نا بھائی! ان سب چیزوں کی اہمیت اسوقت تک تھی کہ جب تک بنی نوع انسان دھکے شکے کھا کر موجودہ مقام تک نہیں پہنچی تھی. اب یہ تمام قوانین بغیر کسی مذہبی بنیاد کے ترقی یافتہ ممالک کا حصہ بن چکے ہیں. مسلم دنیا اسلام کے اولین دنوں کی طرح اگر آج بھی طاقتور ترین، مہذب ترین، ترقی یافتہ، علم میں سب سے آگے اور خوشحال ترین ہوتی تو ہمیں ہر روز اسلام کی خوبصورتی کے بارے میں اس قسم کے مضامین نہ لکھنے پڑتے. بلکہ اسلام کا جادو سر چڑھ کر بولتا. اب تو صرف خود احتسابی، صبر، حکمت، اصلاح اور انتھک محنت کا وقت ہے خدا کی فراہم کردہ عقل کی دشمنی نجانے ہمیں کہاں لے جاۓ گی!!!!!!!ا

You are talking about sisters, acc to science even marriage with 2nd and 3rd cousins leads to increased birth defects, spontaneous abortions, malformed babies and much more mess. Muslims of middle east and Asheknzai Jews of eastern europe are still suffering from the consequences of these unhealthy practices. Now, what kind of stupid person will ever think about marrying his own sister!!!!!

And what is so specific about Islam in this???? 3/4th of world population(Non-muslim) does not practice it and they are not muslim. So from where this solution of Islamisation( In fact Talibanization) comes into play???

مرزا جی ۔ چرچ کے اسکولوں میں پڑھنے سے اور ریڈیولوجی میں ریڈیزنسی سے اسلام پر بولنے کی سند نہیں مل جاتی ۔ چار لفظ رٹ لیے ہیں ۔ طالبان ، جاہل، مجلول ، غیرت برگیڈ، اور ہاں مولوی یا ملا ۔
کوئی قرآن کا حوالہ دے تو فتوہ ۔
آپ جیسی بحث یہ بھی کرتا ہے ۔

آپ کا حال کچھ ایسا ہے ۔

سُوۡرَةُ آل عِمرَان

لَا يَغُرَّنَّكَ تَقَلُّبُ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ فِى ٱلۡبِلَـٰدِ (١٩٦)

سورة آل عِمرَان

تجھکو ان کافروں کا شہروں میں چلنا پھرنا مغالطہ میں نہ ڈال دے۔ (۱۹۶)

سُوۡرَةُ النِّسَاء

مُّذَبۡذَبِينَ بَيۡنَ ذَٲلِكَ لَآ إِلَىٰ هَـٰٓؤُلَآءِ وَلَآ إِلَىٰ هَـٰٓؤُلَآءِ*ۚ وَمَن يُضۡلِلِ ٱللَّهُ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ ۥ سَبِيلاً۬ (١٤٣)

سورة النِّسَاء

معلق ہورہے ہیں دونوں کے درمیان میں نہ اِدھر نہ اُدھر اور جس کو الله تعالیٰ گمراہی میں ڈال دیں ایسے شخص کے لیے کوئی سبیل نہ پاوٴگے۔ (۱۴۳)

[moazzamniaz]

@moazzamniaz i am waiting for ur reply on"scientific view on homosexuality"..please support ur point by aqal??????

Well, i did not know that u r such a shy lad. Why did not u quote my comments while replying???? Now as u have 'mentioned' me, i came to know that u have asked some more questions. Try to 'quote' or 'mention' me next time. Now regarding ur questions

1-Before 20th century, how people knew about this fact??????

Incest was considered an illegal and anti-social act even before the advent of Abrahamic religions. Therefore, Abrahamic God has nothing to do with this law. This law was already in place.

2-if any study comes in favour of incest ,then should it be legalised??????

Why??? Dont u believe that Allah(SWT) has made Islam acc to basic needs, psyche and nature of mankind? Science and Islam(Not Mullahism) both favor out of tribe marriages ie mixing of genes, so that diseased recessive genes dont accumulate and cause genetic diseases.

see the comparison...first cousin has least effect than other factors,,WHY NOT ALL GOVTS ban other factors than????????????


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-This graph represents some western country where cousin marriage is considered an obscene act just like incest, thus the lower figures. At the same time there are cases of cocaine, pot and alcohol drinking mothers which are very uncommon in the rest of the world.

- Western society discourages teen pregnancies and physical abuse while we defend these evil practices behind the garb of Mullahism. This graph just shows us our shameful thinking. Civilized world discourages all these risk factors instead of promoting or defending even one of them.

- And ur last question about banning some risk factor is quite understandable but if some one wants to destroy his/her own life, none can stop him/her. All society can do is just to counsel him/her. Civilized world is continuously making, amending, abrogating different such laws in which it is being decided that where a human`s self privilege ends and from where collective good takes the upper hand.

and for ur "aqal e kul"

Being personal will get u nowhere.

, whats ur aqal says for homosexuality??

This topic requires some minimum knowledge of basic medical science, Islam and psychology. From my previous experience on this forum, it is just useless to discuss it here(Last time i gave my opinion, some religious zombies immediately started cursing their own families, thus dont want that again). Literacy and time will automatically present its solution in the coming decades in muslim societies. Read some psychiatry text book and u will find its solution and how solution is acc to Islam!

[live&love]

I picked third source which is called Wahee. According to this writing, we still needs who have direct link to God and get Wahee from Allah. Super-version than human mind or human wisdom. It means that Nabi and Rasool will continue to come till Qyammat than why drum beats of Akhari Nabi, all the time.

Khatam-e-Nabuwat and Islamic Sufis - YouTube

[iamamuslim]

This topic requires some minimum knowledge of basic medical science, Islam and psychology. From my previous experience on this forum, it is just useless to discuss it here(Last time i gave my opinion, some religious zombies immediately started cursing their own families, thus dont want that again). Literacy and time will automatically present its solution in the coming decades in muslim societies. Read some psychiatry text book and u will find its solution and how solution is acc to Islam!

Dont worry mr..i know alot about HIV,reverse transriptase,viral replication,CD 4 counts, and alot than you can imagin Insha ALALH....Just give ur logic about it....

Why hypocrisy??????wahan science yeh kehti hay????aur jahan all studies including many metanalysis have proved that

MOST ADVERSE FACTOR FOR TRANSMISSION OF AIDS IS HOMOSEXUALITY??????AB AQAL KAHAN GAY?????

[lolipop2]

Incest was considered an illegal and anti-social act even before the advent of Abrahamic religions. Therefore, Abrahamic God has nothing to do with this law. This law was already in place.

آسمان سے ٹپکا

Why??? Dont u believe that Allah(SWT) has made Islam acc to basic needs, psyche and nature of mankind? Science and Islam(Not Mullahism) both favor out of tribe marriages ie mixing of genes, so that diseased recessive genes dont accumulate and cause genetic diseases.

اللہ نے اسلام نہیں بنایا اللہ نے انسان بنایا اور زندگی بسر کرنے کا طریقہ بتلایا

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-This graph represents some western country where cousin marriage is considered an obscene act just like incest, thus the lower figures. At the same time there are cases of cocaine, pot and alcohol drinking mothers which are very uncommon in the rest of the world. - Western society discourages teen pregnancies and physical abuse

کس بنیاد پر ؟

while we defend these evil practices behind the garb of Mullahism. This graph just shows us our shameful thinking. Civilized world discourages all these risk factors instead of promoting or defending even one of them. - And ur last question about banning some risk factor is quite understandable but if some one wants to destroy his/her own life, none can stop him/her. All society can do is just to counsel him/her. Civilized world is continuously making, amending, abrogating different such laws in which it is being decided that where a human`s self privilege ends and from where collective good takes the upper hand. Being personal will get u nowhere.

"Mullahism"?? Isn't this personal??

This topic requires some minimum knowledge of basic medical science, Islam and psychology. From my previous experience on this forum, it is just useless to discuss it here(Last time i gave my opinion, some religious zombies immediately started cursing their own families, thus dont want that again). Literacy and time will automatically present its solution in the coming decades in muslim societies. Read some psychiatry text book and u will find its solution and how solution is acc to Islam!

مرزا جی نے اتنا بڑا مضمون لکھ دیا اور اس میں کئی باتیں یوں گھما پھرا کر کی ہیں کہ ان تمام باتوں کا جواب سیدھے سیدھے کم وقت میں دینا مشکل ہے ۔ اس لیے اس وقت ایک دو نقطوں پر بات ۔ پہلی بات ۔ لفظ سیول لائز ۔ کون کہلاتا ہے سیول لائز ۔ یہ کون طے کرتا ہے کہ یہ باتیں سیول لائز ہیں اور یہ نہیں ۔ کون اور کیوں ؟ وہ پیمانہ کہاں سے آتا ہے ۔؟ دوسری بات ۔ انچیسٹ ۔ جب سے انسان اس دنیا میں آیا تو نسل کا آغاز اس کام کے بغیر ممکن نہ تھا ۔ اس وقت یہ لیگل تھی ۔ پھر یہ ال لیگل ہو گئی ۔ تب سائنس کا دور دور تک آتا پتا نہیں تھا ۔ پھر زمانے آتے گئے اور یہ کام کبھی لیگل اور کبھی ال لیگل ہوتا رہا ۔ آج ہماری اکثریت تمام مغربی ممالک کو سیول لائز سمجھتی ہے ۔ اور ان کی ہر بات کو آنکھیں بند کر کے خوش آمدید کہتی ہے ۔ تو کیا میں سمجھوں کہ کچھ دنوں میں جب یہ معلوم ہو کہ انچیسٹ سیول لائز ممالک فرانس، نیدرلینڈ، سویڈن اور کچھ اور ممالک میں یہ لیگل ہے تو ہم بھی اس کو نو بگ ڈیل کہہ دیں ، بلکہ امریکہ کی کچھ ریاستوں میں بھی یہ کوئی بگ ڈیل نہیں ۔ اور وہ دن دور نہیں کہ یہ تمام سیول لائز لوگ ہمیں اس کا سبق دے رہے ہوں ۔ تہذیب ہر انسان اپنی سوچ کے حساب سے بناتا ہے ۔ ایک بات میرے لیے تہذیب یافتہ ہے اس لیے کہ وہ میرے تہذیب کے دائرے میں اور اس سے باہر وہ بد تہذیب ۔ اور اسی طرح دوسرا انسان سوچتا ہے ۔ کسی کے لیے نگا گھومنا اس کی تہذیب کے دائرے میں ہے جبکہ کپڑے پہنا دوسرے کے لیے ۔ لیکن ایک مسلمان اپنی تہذیب کا دائرہ کسی انسان کی سوچ کے مطابق نہیں بلکہ اللہ کی ہدائیت اور اللہ کے رسول محمد صلی اللہ علیہ وآلی وسلم کے عمل کے مطابق طے کرتا ہے ۔ اور مذاق اور ہنسی کا کھیل نہیں سمجھتا اور ملا ۔ مولوی کہہ کر کندھے نہیں اچکتا ۔

---------- Post added at 11:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:52 PM ----------

Dont worry mr..i know alot about HIV,reverse transriptase,viral replication,CD 4 counts, and alot than you can imagin Insha ALALH....Just give ur logic about it....

Why hypocrisy??????wahan science yeh kehti hay????aur jahan all studies including many metanalysis have proved that

MOST ADVERSE FACTOR FOR TRANSMISSION OF AIDS IS HOMOSEXUALITY??????AB AQAL KAHAN GAY?????

He thinks that he is the only Doctor on this forum rest are just Mullah. ---------- Post added 11-25-2011 at 12:02 AM ---------- Previous post was 11-24-2011 at 11:58 PM ----------

ایک اور مرزے سے سوال پوچھا تھا اس کے اپنے دیئے ہوئے سوال پر ۔ لیکن وہ اس پر لوٹ کر ہی نہیں آتا ۔

great principles of left and its true virtues
1) Proactive and Growth driven strategies.
2) Emphasis on human rights
3) Protection of minorities
4) Equal rights for women
5) Seperation of state and church
6) Moderation and rejection of all extremism
7) Rejection of colonialism, imperialism and protectionism
8) Unshakable belief in democracy, rule of law and constitution...

And numerous others which will be spelt out later in the course of this thread.

---------- Post added at 12:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:02 AM ---------- From Incest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In some places, incest is illegal, regardless of the ages of the two partners. In other places, incestuous relationships between two consenting adults (with the age varying by location) are permitted. Such countries where it is permissible and legal, includes the Netherlands and Sweden where incestuous couples must seek government counseling before marriage. The only type of incestuous relationship allowed by law in Sweden is that between half-siblings.^[74]

[iamamuslim]

Incest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In some places, incest is illegal, regardless of the ages of the two partners. In other places, incestuous relationships between two consenting adults (with the age varying by location) are permitted. Such countries where it is permissible and legal, includes the Netherlands and Sweden where incestuous couples must seek government counseling before marriage. The only type of incestuous relationship allowed by law in Sweden is that between half-siblings.^[74]

Thanks for info..lets see mian moazam's logic on homosexuality?????? and incest being legal in swedan

[moazzamniaz]

Dont worry mr..i know alot about HIV,reverse transriptase,viral replication,CD 4 counts, and alot than you can imagin Insha ALALH....Just give ur logic about it....

Why hypocrisy??????wahan science yeh kehti hay????aur jahan all studies including many metanalysis have proved that

MOST ADVERSE FACTOR FOR TRANSMISSION OF AIDS IS HOMOSEXUALITY??????AB AQAL KAHAN GAY?????

After reading ur post, i would again reiterate that read about it in some psychiatric text or review book. U have bits and pieces of information topped up with very erroneous conclusions. I can reply and refute all these innocent questions and misinformation but i know that there will be always more.

[lolipop2]

After reading ur post, i would again reiterate that read about it in some psychiatric text or review book. U have bits and pieces of information topped up with very erroneous conclusions. I can reply and refute all these innocent questions and misinformation but i know that there will be always more.

Conclusion : "we all should close this forum now and go home and do other things because there will be always another question after the other."

A conclusion of illiterate person from a literate person's writing!

One thread is already deleted few minutes ago.

[iamamuslim]

After reading ur post, i would again reiterate that read about it in some psychiatric text or review book. U have bits and pieces of information topped up with very erroneous conclusions. I can reply and refute all these innocent questions and misinformation but i know that there will be always more.

wah g.......kia logic and scientfic reference dia hay

---------- Post added at 04:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:40 PM ----------

After reading ur post, i would again reiterate that read about it in some psychiatric text or review book. U have bits and pieces of information topped up with very erroneous conclusions. I can reply and refute all these innocent questions and misinformation but i know that there will be always more.

wah g.......kia logic and scientfic reference dia hay

[A-shahid]

Enemies of reason, logic and discernment have always had themselves humiliated, debased and disparaged. Modern day Muslims are the best personification of this phenomena. The above article has been epistled with a lopsided view of the realities and the contorted logics of a sinuous mind. Morality and Ethics have their origins NOT in religion but in culture, custom, traditions and rituals prevailing in a society. Religion merely bestowed them an ever lasting lifeline.

Religion has always been a personal code of conduct for all humanity and all endeavors to apply it onto the public life without any demurs have failed miserably in human history. Unfortunately, our Mullah lackeys have a penchant of reinforcing the failures, digging further an already tunneled pit and trying to reincarnate a decomposed and derelict body.

[lolipop2]

Enemies of reason, logic and discernment have always had themselves humiliated, debased and disparaged. Modern day Muslims are the best personification of this phenomena. The above article has been epistled with a lopsided view of the realities and the contorted logics of a sinuous mind. Morality and Ethics have their origins NOT in religion but in culture, custom, traditions and rituals prevailing in a society. Religion merely bestowed them an ever lasting lifeline.

Religion has always been a personal code of conduct for all humanity and all endeavors to apply it onto the public life without any demurs have failed miserably in human history. Unfortunately, our Mullah lackeys have a penchant of reinforcing the failures, digging further an already tunneled pit and trying to reincarnate a decomposed and derelict body.

میرے دادا جی کی انگلش لغت کھو گئی ہے ۔ اس لیے اوپر کیا لکھا ہے وہ سمجھ نہیں آیا ۔ لیکن جو پیچھے ادھوری بحث چھوڑ گئے تھے اس پر کچھ روشنی آسان انگریزی میں ۔

Dont worry, the inveterate liars like you only enjoy molestations. So take that as a bonus!!!

ہیلو ۔۔۔ ہیلو ۔۔ مسڑ مرزا ۔۔


مرزا جی ۔ کدھر ہو ؟
کچھ ادھر بھی ۔
سوال پوچھا تھا ۔ آپ کے ادھورے جواب کا ۔

great principles of left and its true virtues


1) Proactive and Growth driven strategies.
2) Emphasis on human rights
3) Protection of minorities
4) Equal rights for women
5) Seperation of state and church
6) Moderation and rejection of all extremism
7) Rejection of colonialism, imperialism and protectionism
8) Unshakable belief in democracy, rule of law and constitution...

And numerous others which will be spelt out later in the course of this thread.

---------- Post added at 07:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:47 AM ----------

In your kind of 'leftist' Pakistan, apologies would be reserved for shady and chimerical characters like HH. Boy, no wonder right wingers are pulling the rugs from under your feet.

ہیلو ۔۔۔ ہیلو ۔۔ مسڑ مرزا جی ۔

پہلے لیفٹ کا مسلہ تو حل کر لیں پھر رائٹ کی خبر لیں گے ۔؟؟؟



مرزا جی ۔ کدھر ہو ؟