Live With Talat 18th August 2008

[Hit Man]

Host: Talat Hussain and Shokat Paracha
Guests: Ather Minallah and Gen Talat Masood

[samy]

i would rather like to see talat in islamabad studio & having his programme but don't know why he is on world tour & try to do his live with talat(mazah nahi aa raha)even talat got little emotional on fact that every one used our country like parking & shop mean(lotmar) & then go home with smile on his face.resignaation was such good deal for mush just like NRO was great deal for AZ.GIVE AN TAKE WORK SO WELL IN PAKISTAN

[saname769]

I have seen notorrious's comments that the viewers are lazy and not commenting.
The reason is that the programs are monotonous and very sperficial in discussion. not many good ones reeally. I agree that Talat being in the studio could have made a lot of difference. Moreover the reason why people are not commenting a lot is that there are so many programs to be seen one after the other. May be when everybody has seen so many programs there will be comments flowing in.
The important things people are forgetting is that its just a mask (musharraf) which is removed. The system there which is the culprit is still strong. Musharraf is not the name of a man, its the name of a system. It changes its name, Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf. Sometimes it comes on in a varied form, slightly less malignant or may be slightly benign form with names of bhutto (much better form really, am not trying to really let down him, but he did transform later on to the similar mode ), nawaz sharif, BB, Zardari. So its the system which is still there, hidden and invisible, yet very clrear to many, that rules the country. Its very long and tough route to get the real democracy and independence. If this system or mafia continues in its benign form with names like NS, AZ or whoever, its still better, a bonus i believe. We may one day achieve what is needed. But if it overtakes again in a malignant mode with names like ayub, zia and musharraf then its very tough to defeat it. The democracy must continue, whatever form it is. The media and the civil society will bring the change gradually. Now the test is for the politicians. Over next one to 2 years our politicians will be exposed. I wish they are not taken over by the army, rather this process continues, and the change will happen. This change will be either in the form of new leaders emeging or the same parties changing their attitude and approach towards the people and their problems. They need to evolve now. As I always say that our youth has entered 21st century but the leadership still lives in 18th century, where they are worshipped by their workers and servants and give them the born right to rule forever.
The times have changes all over but need to further change in Pakistan. May be over next 5 years things will be different. We should not expect a rapid change, and at the same time the change does not come so easily. We have to go through a tough time and then only we will deserve that change. The time is yet to come. Allah will get us through the grinding machine. Abhi kundhan ban'ney mein kuch der baki hai, aur abhi lohey ko mazeed aag se guzarna hai, as quaid said loha aag mein se ho kar kundhan ban jaat ahai. Azadi plate mein nahin milti. Musharraf ke chaley janey se aazadi milni hoti tou aur kia chahye tha. Its a whole layer over layer which we need to peel off before we reach the real democracy and independence.
Insahaalah we will achieve the aims and objectives, but just remember the struggle is not yet over.

[NoToRi0uS]

I have seen notorrious's comments that the viewers are lazy and not commenting.

But now I know that not all but few do read my comments

[NoToRi0uS]

in an other programe I have heard I guess in Kamran Khan that the Issue of judiciary is creating some differences again between NS & Zardari
so may be we would not be able to see restored judiciary during next few days.

[NoToRi0uS]

Masla Yeh hai ke Pak mein jab bhee koi is tarah ka incident ya action hota hai to wo baqaeda deal ke sath hota hai
aur its true ke musharaf ka resignation aik planed deal se huwa hai & Good Point raised by Talat that we cant even stop a buerocrat like Tariq aziz than how can we stop Musharaf ??

[saname769]

Hi notorious, u r wellcome. I do read comments worth reading.

[zozanqa]

Originally Posted by NoToRi0uS

Masla Yeh hai ke Pak mein jab bhee koi is tarah ka incident ya action hota hai to wo baqaeda deal ke sath hota hai
aur its true ke musharaf ka resignation aik planed deal se huwa hai & Good Point raised by Talat that we cant even stop a buerocrat like Tariq aziz than how can we stop Musharaf ??

You are so right Not0..We have become a rented out country and the landlord is someone in Far off continent....

[amirROPK]

help me to watch the video. Program starts and then it reaches to the end.

[NoToRi0uS]

Originally Posted by amirROPK

help me to watch the video. Program starts and then it reaches to the end.

dear must be Problem at ur side because no one has raised the issue.
do check ur net connection or media player plugins etc

[Hossp]

Originally Posted by saname769

The important things people are forgetting is that its just a mask (musharraf) which is removed. The system there which is the culprit is still strong. Musharraf is not the name of a man, its the name of a system. It changes its name, Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf. Sometimes it comes on in a varied form, slightly less malignant or may be slightly benign form with names of bhutto (much better form really, am not trying to really let down him, but he did transform later on to the similar mode ), nawaz sharif, BB, Zardari. So its the system which is still there, hidden and invisible, yet very clrear to many, that rules the country. Its very long and tough route to get the real democracy and independence. If this system or mafia continues in its benign form with names like NS, AZ or whoever, its still better, a bonus i believe. We may one day achieve what is needed. But if it overtakes again in a malignant mode with names like ayub, zia and musharraf then its very tough to defeat it. The democracy must continue, whatever form it is. The media and the civil society will bring the change gradually. Now the test is for the politicians. Over next one to 2 years our politicians will be exposed. .

Phenomenal Comments.
There is no harm in being explicit on this forum. The army has ruled the country since 1954 pretty much w/o any hindrance. Generals don't respect politics and politicians and most of the politicians know that. Why do you think Nawaz is always so indignant? Why he is always taking a hard line? Simply because he knows what he is dealing with. We also must understand that the army and its agencies have deep penetration in all political parties. Some leaders can't even trust their closest allies. Zardari is surrounded by people whose loyalties are questionable. Look at Maulana Fazal. Do Zardari and Nawaz not know him well? But they still pretend to respect him. Why Musharraf till the end kept saying that Zardari, Fazal and Asfandyar are in his pockets. It is not these guys are sold but they are so badly and shrewdly trapped, that they just can't confront the army head on.

Democracy is still long way off in Pakistan. What Zardari and Nawaz are trying to achieve is some partnership with the army where they at least share 50% of the power. It will take some time before Pakistanis would get close to breaking the army hold.

We should look at the Guard of Honor to Musharraf in this context and What Talat has brought out in the open. He kind of forced every participant to speak up. And in the end all of them were talking about the army. We need more of this on consistent basis so that people learn to criticize the army openly and be prepared to face the consequences.

This was a classic program and I hope moderators of this site would keep this copy for record for a long time.
Thank you.

[udasullo]

NRO ki paidawar se aisey he dictator rukhsat hotey hain. Saley sab choor hain opar se neechey tak, and Pak qaum bhi aiwain he naik nahi hai. Yeh politicians, leaders come from us, they reflect who we are.
Tum par waisey he leaders musallat kiye jaingain jaisey tum ho -- jaisey hum waisey humarey leaders. Khud ko sudharoo leaders bhi mil jaingain acchey

BTW thanks Notorious for posting all these regularly much appreciated.