Capital Talk 20th August 2008

Hamid Mir with latest episode of capital talk.
Guests:
Ch. Nisar Ali Khan, Syed Mushahid Hussain & Athar MinaAllah

[swsert]

Now that's Wat I call QUICK SERVICE

[furhad]

Reasons to support Musharraf and Can anybody tell me there reasons to support Zardarii and Nawaz Shariff.

Musharraf was portrayed as probably the biggest American or West ally in war against terror, but Neocon and Jewish zionists know this in American Administration that Musharraf rather used them to strengthen himself and Pakistan.

What Musharraf had done so far was to destroy the United States foreign Policy in 21 century.

the points that agitated the American jewish administration were firstly that he did not deliver them Usama or Mulla Umer, because if he had given them these two that would have given some justification to them as face saver. they know that as long as these two people are alive the idealogy will remian at large and another 9-11 means doom of Americans.this has not materialized.

Secondly, the entire US strategy is based on few stratgic moves which they wanted President Musharraf to deliver. for example he did not handed over DR AQ khan to them, he did not gave them what Pakistan knew about the North Korean Atomic program, he did not recognised Israel.

Musharraf did not send troops to Iraq, if he did sent troops to Iraq the American casualities would surely have reduced, because it would have set a precedent and other Muslim countries would have also sent forces to Iraq. it was Pakistan which refused and then other Muslim countries also refused.

Musharraf did not broke off Pakistan relationship with Iran and rather attempted to develop relationship with Iran. (GAS PIPLINE) he also continued to develop and strengthen relationship with China. President Musharraf also kept on developing our nuclear and Missle assets. Musharraf set pakistan on the course of socio-economic, political course which strengthen us on national and international level. we saw lot of progress in education sector.

Christian and Jewish zionist could not digest the progress and prosperity of the only super power in Muslim world. now they attempted to cease this Progress and as a result we heard undying clatter of democracy. Nawaz Sharrif and Zardarii are definately a stooge of Zionists and have been sucessfully used to destroy Pakistans National Fabric.

However, Musharraf's only and Greatest Mistake which i recognise and condemn strogly is that he delivered Pakistanis to Americans. (People like DR Afia)

but then again, "you cant bite the hand that feeds you", (the economic aid and military assistance that American provided for example the Earth Quake disaster that struck Pakistan and the aid we recived in return for our support was enormous. it helped save thousands of those left alive and helped to reconstruct the entire Kasmir area almost. i think Musharraf acquired much greater than what we Pakistanis Lost. this not to say that i support him over extradition of people like Dr Afia but when you have to choose between two extremes than i am afraid you have to compromise something and it was unfortunate that it was some of our country men and women who paid the price.

Finally, Hamid Mir is completely and utterly a bias and it is clear from is assertains that he is paid by Nawaz Shariff. i think Quantity may be floated by his Hypocratic arguments but Quality disagree and condemns him and his Chat shows.

[CroissantLBV]

^^ agree with you.

He's too much biased like working on someone's pay. While Talat and Kashif abbasi also criticize musharraf and others but but Hamid Mir tries to play little tricks like twisting words, quoting half sentences to emphasize on something.

He also sides with terrorists portraying them as innocent and the army as aggressors. No wonder, he's the only one to have contact with OBL after 9/11 and he's also writing a book on him. He has close ties to them and it reflects clearly.

[Hit Man]

Originally Posted by furhad

Reasons to support Musharraf and Can anybody tell me there reasons to support Zardarii and Nawaz Shariff.

Musharraf was portrayed as probably the biggest American or West ally in war against terror, but Neocon and Jewish zionists know this in American Administration that Musharraf rather used them to strengthen himself and Pakistan.

What Musharraf had done so far was to destroy the United States foreign Policy in 21 century.

the points that agitated the American jewish administration were firstly that he did not deliver them Usama or Mulla Umer, because if he had given them these two that would have given some justification to them as face saver. they know that as long as these two people are alive the idealogy will remian at large and another 9-11 means doom of Americans.this has not materialized.

Secondly, the entire US strategy is based on few stratgic moves which they wanted President Musharraf to deliver. for example he did not handed over DR AQ khan to them, he did not gave them what Pakistan knew about the North Korean Atomic program, he did not recognised Israel.

Musharraf did not send troops to Iraq, if he did sent troops to Iraq the American casualities would surely have reduced, because it would have set a precedent and other Muslim countries would have also sent forces to Iraq. it was Pakistan which refused and then other Muslim countries also refused.

Musharraf did not broke off Pakistan relationship with Iran and rather attempted to develop relationship with Iran. (GAS PIPLINE) he also continued to develop and strengthen relationship with China. President Musharraf also kept on developing our nuclear and Missle assets. Musharraf set pakistan on the course of socio-economic, political course which strengthen us on national and international level. we saw lot of progress in education sector.

Christian and Jewish zionist could not digest the progress and prosperity of the only super power in Muslim world. now they attempted to cease this Progress and as a result we heard undying clatter of democracy. Nawaz Sharrif and Zardarii are definately a stooge of Zionists and have been sucessfully used to destroy Pakistans National Fabric.

However, Musharraf's only and Greatest Mistake which i recognise and condemn strogly is that he delivered Pakistanis to Americans. (People like DR Afia)

but then again, "you cant bite the hand that feeds you", (the economic aid and military assistance that American provided for example the Earth Quake disaster that struck Pakistan and the aid we recived in return for our support was enormous. it helped save thousands of those left alive and helped to reconstruct the entire Kasmir area almost. i think Musharraf acquired much greater than what we Pakistanis Lost. this not to say that i support him over extradition of people like Dr Afia but when you have to choose between two extremes than i am afraid you have to compromise something and it was unfortunate that it was some of our country men and women who paid the price.

Finally, Hamid Mir is completely and utterly a bias and it is clear from is assertains that he is paid by Nawaz Shariff. i think Quantity may be floated by his Hypocratic arguments but Quality disagree and condemns him and his Chat shows.

Its quite funny from Musharraf supporters, because when the lawyers movement started first they said oh paid by the USA then they said paid by Nawaz Sharif.

Now whoever talks about Musharraf in the wrong way people like you jump up and down and say o Paid by Nawaz Shaif. Use your head and comment with facts dont make a fool our of urself.

[furhad]

truth hearts init HitMan

[Hit Man]

Originally Posted by furhad

truth hearts init HitMan

If its the TRUTH, I know you will think you are the only one intelligent with all the info in this world. But sorry to burst your bubble you sounds like just another troll with no facts and figures.

[city_luckya]

not working for me

[furhad]

Hitman!

i respect your beliefs. when somebody is paid by someone, they are bound to take their side. what i said was not a "troll", To me, what i said was fact and figures and and people with sonscience and impartaility would certainly agree with me. As i said before "Quantity" in its literal sense (be it money or vested interests) will agree with Hamid MIR but, quality disagree and condemn his chat shows.

Musharraf did not allow this freedom of expression to be misused for personal agendas. those who do not want to be convinsed only May Allha can convince them. but i am sure if you put bias aside and think rationally may Allha bless you and you may be able to comprehend what i said. My Prayers are with you my friend Hitman the sooner you realize this the better Muslim and Pakistani you will be.

[Hit Man]

Originally Posted by furhad

Hitman!

i respect your beliefs. when somebody is paid by someone, they are bound to take their side. what i said was not a "troll", To me, what i said was fact and figures and and people with sonscience and impartaility would certainly agree with me. As i said before "Quantity" in its literal sense (be it money or vested interests) will agree with Hamid MIR but, quality disagree and condemn his chat shows.

Musharraf did not allow this freedom of expression to be misused for personal agendas. those who do not want to be convinsed only May Allha can convince them. but i am sure if you put bias aside and think rationally may Allha bless you and you may be able to comprehend what i said. My Prayers are with you my friend Hitman the sooner you realize this the better Muslim and Pakistani you will be.

I dont like Hamid Mir, neither I would like to vote for any Party yet.
But why you are a better muslim and a Pakistani then me?

So if i go with your thoughts you said that Musharraf was angel?
Musharraf did not sell anyone?
Musharraf did not do anything to lal masjid?
Musharraf did not have all the corrupt politicians under his belt?
Musharraf did not make Shokat Aziz the PM?
Musharraf did not overthrow the court and the parliment for his power?
Musharraf did not make a deal with Bhutto?
Musharraf did not want the power till the end?
Musharraf never lied?

[_SaaZ_]

Originally Posted by furhad

Hitman!

i respect your beliefs. when somebody is paid by someone, they are bound to take their side. what i said was not a "troll", To me, what i said was fact and figures and and people with sonscience and impartaility would certainly agree with me. As i said before "Quantity" in its literal sense (be it money or vested interests) will agree with Hamid MIR but, quality disagree and condemn his chat shows.

Musharraf did not allow this freedom of expression to be misused for personal agendas. those who do not want to be convinsed only May Allha can convince them. but i am sure if you put bias aside and think rationally may Allha bless you and you may be able to comprehend what i said. My Prayers are with you my friend Hitman the sooner you realize this the better Muslim and Pakistani you will be.

Ok...some do like to keep a blind eye to everything...especially those which they cannot digest and understand. Its not in there nature. It's not in their clay, it's not in their matter.

So here's a glorified moan to your pathetic and ridiculous sense of precipitous approach. Musharraf's lap might be the only place u can shed a tear... so hurry before he's so vehemently deported. Your last chance.

[furhad]

HITMAN! My friend, My Brother

you are contradicting with your earlier assertions. first you take side with Hamifd Mir now you reject it. our argument started with Hamid Mir now that you have abandoned it and have started on Musharaf. never mind

However, as far as it concerned with your list of question Marks, if you read with consideration i never implied that Musharraf was an angle. please re-read what i wrote in my first post. i hope it should answer all of the list of your questions.

A sentence of advice as a brother that before createing an argument please pay due attention to the subject matter and do not be impulsive if you find something that you have Prejudice against and be analytical towards the statement. you are a journalist you should know that! to reitrate have some respect for and aginst your point of view thats called impartiality. i hope i have not caused any offence and express my apolgy in advance if i have.

[Hit Man]

Originally Posted by furhad

HITMAN! My friend, My Brother

you are contradicting with your earlier assertions. first you take side with Hamifd Mir now you reject it. our argument started with Hamid Mir now that you have abandoned it and have started on Musharaf. never mind

However, as far as it concerned with your list of question Marks, if you read with consideration i never implied that Musharraf was an angle. please re-read what i wrote in my first post. i hope it should answer all of the list of your questions.

A sentence of advice as a brother that before createing an argument please pay due attention to the subject matter and do not be impulsive if you find something that you have Prejudice against and be analytical towards the statement. you are a journalist you should know that! to reitrate have some respect for and aginst your point of view thats called impartiality. i hope i have not caused any offence and express my apolgy in advance if i have.

I did not talk about Hamir Mir all I said was WHY people like you come up jumping up and down saying Oh Bik gaya, Paisa le lya. So my focus was not Hamid mir but your statement. So I hope It is clear for you now.

If I come to your standards I will say you must have gotten something directly or indirectly from Musharraf this is why you support an idealogy like that BLINDLY.

[aikhan]

Mates !!! to much agrument are not good for healths and minds. Take it easy....

I fully agreed with Furhad and Croissant LBV

Well Hitman has few valid points too.

HAMID MIR hhhhhh ...he always tell lies about Musharraf and so many other Jaurnalists too. Now Our beloved country Pakistan control & run by two most currupts and non elected so called great leaders of ours. GOD save Pakistan from them...ameen

[abdul]

What a **** lady is this Fauzia Wahab. A total moron. On every discussion program she has successfullty proven herself a real bi*ch full of filth.

abdul added 9 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

Continuing the above discussion.......
I hold musharaf fully responsible for Zardari and Nawaz being in power. If you people remember, in 1999 when Musharaf came into power through a militery coup, there was a strong resentment amoung the masses against Nawaz Sharif. So at that time, for the higher national interest, if Musharaf, instead of becoming the god father of Pakistan, held an election and let the correct representative of people come in power then by now these Nawaz, Zardari et al. would have been long gone and forgotten.

But in a current political scenario I would prefer Nawaz and Zardari over Musharaf. Atleast i have the hope that if they don't follow the popular opinion and trend they will be a relic of past after five years or may be earlier.