Capital Talk 30th October 2008

Host: Hamid Mir
Guests:e Yvonne Ridley British Journalist, Dr. Farzana Rari, Amina Masood Janjua ,Syed Iqbal Haider

[kamranmuhammad]

You Dumb!!!

Originally Posted by shasnahn

anyone who defends the Taliban, who have treated women very badly, burned down girls schools, and killed Pakistani civilians and soldiers, is himself a moron. You need to stop supporting the Taliban.

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

You Dumb!!!

that was not an answer.

[kamranmuhammad]

@ Shasn...........

I do not know why i am doing this to a moron who will not change his mind and only CNN and Fox news believer. But again i am putting my effort, may be one day you came to know the real truth. Did you watch the Video i posted previouslz for zou in soem thread?????? watch that and also read that......

The Fate Of Women Under The Taliban: The Truth That Was Never Exposed
Sat Nov 1, 2008 12:58 am (PDT)


The Fate Of Women Under The Taliban: The Truth That Was Never Exposed

"Based on a survey by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of schools for girls located in villages across Afghanistan and controlled by the Taliban are still operating. Pia Karlsson, Education Advisor of SCA, mentioned 85% of the girls are still going to school. In the Province of Kunduz, which is under the Taliban rule, 122 schools for girls are operating, with 390 registered female teachers!"
Afghanistan and Taliban are the main target in the anti-Muslim media to attack Islam and Muslims as though Taliban are the only Muslim in the world!

All the women (western feminists) who criticized the Burqa (a traditional dress), were silent when 2 millions Afghan citizens were dead due to the Russian bombs, they were silent when 500,000 Afghan citizens were handicapped because of landmines, and they were quiet when thousands of Afghan women were raped before the Taliban came to power.
General Hamid who had lived for some years under the Taliban, said:
"There was never a campaign directed at allowing the beating of women and there was no prohibition for women to pursue education. There was only restriction on mixed-gender education."
There are so many fabrications on 'respected' websites in the internet about the 'suffering' of Afghan women, while at the same time there isn't any mention of date, name, location or any other data that could be verified. Hamid Gul said that he always noticed there were more women than men in the streets or in the markets during the Taliban era. The Afghan who protested in the west were those who originated from the Khalq and Parcham factions who were Communists. They were not representatives of the majority of the Afghan society.
The Taliban had to keep an eye on these communist women with an extra tight measure to ensure they would not cause any discord or troubles. Women only have to wear the burqa in the streets, whereas at home they are free to wear any dress they like. Munur, a nurse said: "Women in the hospitals seldom wear the burqa and even the jilbab when there are no men in there."
Based on a survey by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of schools for girls located in villages across Afghanistan and controlled by the Taliban are still operating. Pia Karlsson, Education Advisor of SCA, mentioned 85% of the girls are still going to school. In the Province of Kunduz, which is under the Taliban rule, 122 schools for girls are operating, with 390 registered female teachers!
During the pre-Taliban era, there were only 350 beds for women in the hospitals across Kabul. In August 2001, there were 950 beds in the hospitals which were specific for women only. Some of the hospitals that were exclusive for women were Rabia Balkhi Hospital, The Red Crescent of Kuwait Health Center and The Health Clinic for Infectious Disease! There were also 32 clinics for women and children.
Additionally, the women also received the services provided by the ICRC and the Sanday Gal Orthopaedic Centers. Only female doctors and nurses were working in the hospitals and clinics to give the healthcare services to the female patients.
However the Sun, Daily Express, New York Times, and all the journalists never report this story, the same goes for BBC, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is part of the campaign of lies so that the world populations would be against the Taliban.
They lied that the women could not work, the women could not go out of the house, to go to school, or even to go to hospital, but all the abovementioned facts proved otherwise.

[isheikh]

this is same Dr. Farzana who in the past in one of the program said that she doesn't bother about her daughter even if she come home late at night (Roshan khayali ki misal hai)

[samy]

here we go again.western women is coming from west in better islamic dress,stronger voice for women freedom against these free condom provider's pakistani women NGO'S & waking our lazy,ignorent & sleepy souls but we are arguing with each other about taliban,russia & america when the whole programme is to free pakistani's & rights about women which are held in most humilating prison,when extremist like taliban who was not scared of any superpower relesed western women,who is sitting in front of us today & as proud practicing muslimah helping the muslim women in need,when its suppose to be the job of muslim brother's but where are they..?

[kamranmuhammad]

Originally Posted by isheikh

this is same Dr. Farzana who in the past in one of the program said that she doesn't bother about her daughter even if she come home late at night (Roshan khayali ki misal hai)

Exactly!!!!!I still remember in capital talk

Believe me i was laughing like hell and same time i was ashamed that in islamic republic of pkaistan one woemen is .................... I still use her example to counter with my bro some time..lllolllzzzzz

[shasnahn]

kamranmuhammad

instead of some bogus news report that you have found on the Internet, I judge the Taliban based on how badly they treated Afghan women, and the thousands of girls schools they have burned down in Pakistan, and the NGO's they have attacked with grenades which promote women's welfare. That is all the proof I need to declare the Taliban are anti-women psychos. You should give up your romantic view of the Taliban, who are an evil, misogynistic, violent and backward group of morons.

shasnahn added 4 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

Exactly!!!!!I still remember in capital talk

Believe me i was laughing like hell and same time i was ashamed that in islamic republic of pkaistan one woemen is .................... I still use her example to counter with my bro some time..lllolllzzzzz

why do you immediately assume she was engaged in some illicit activity? It only shows your filthy mentality. What is the great Islam if you simply deprive a person of their entire freedoms and abilities and reduce them to living bodies ? The real test of Iman is when you are given choices, and you make the right choice.

Here in the US, many Pakistani-Americans and immigrants Pakistanis don't engage in dating/sex even though they can if they want to. There is absolutely nothing stopping them. On the other hand there also immigrant Pakistanis and Pak-Americans who do engage in all sorts of parties and dating, that is their wrong choice, and its between them and God. And it is still better than completely locking folks up.

[kamranmuhammad]

Show me a reall prof that Taliban burned Women's school in their govt ????

Let me say something to you!!!!! as far as i remmebr all of your creapy posts has nothing to do but give us an idea that enlighted modern life, which was promoted by your master MUSH is the only right way to live.

Let me tell you one more thing, US islam and life i know very well!!!!!! i am not blaming every muslims there at any cost. There are many good things as far as you are follwoing ISLAM, nor anything called modern Islam. These is a guy YOUSF ESTES, google him, he is from LA. listen to him and then tell me what you agree to him and what you dont. Also call him to ask about Taliban.

Why don't you come up and we go together to Afghnstan to find out who were taliban and who are they and what theys ay about woman???????

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

Show me a reall prof that Taliban burned Women's school in their govt ????

Let me say something to you!!!!! as far as i remmebr all of your creapy posts has nothing to do but give us an idea that enlighted modern life, which was promoted by your master MUSH is the only right way to live.

Let me tell you one more thing, US islam and life i know very well!!!!!! i am not blaming every muslims there at any cost. There are many good things as far as you are follwoing ISLAM, nor anything called modern Islam. These is a guy YOUSF ESTES, google him, he is from LA. listen to him and then tell me what you agree to him and what you dont. Also call him to ask about Taliban.

Why don't you come up and we go together to Afghnstan to find out who were taliban and who are they and what theys ay about woman???????

The Taliban banned all girls schools, thats why they didnt burn any in Afghanistan. They have burned thousands of girls schools in Pakistan because the Taliban dont rule here (Alhamdullilah).

Your posts have nothing but denial of facts and a romantic view of the Taliban. Start looking at facts first before being contemptous of others. This Yvonne Ridley woman is similar to you that she was kidnapped (a criminal act), but the Taliban but doesnt seem to recognize that fact.

[kamranmuhammad]

I asked for proof not your Bla Bla Bla Bla!!!!!

still waiting!!!!

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

I asked for proof not your Bla Bla Bla Bla!!!!!

still waiting!!!!

what proof ? That the Taliban mistreated women and burned down girls schools in Pakistan ? If you are asking proof of that you may as well ask proof of the sky being blue as well.

but since you insist on staying in denial:

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100 plus girls schools destroyed in Swat:
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Yvonne Ridley should be glad she didnt end up like this :

FK Media System

[wab4u]

@shasnahn haha.... a person converts his religion and people you saying that she is suffering from some stupid syndrome..... you believe biased media reports but when a person who himself has seen the taliban first hand tells u something u don't agree with that.... talk of brainwashing

[crapppped]

Originally Posted by commoner

Ms Ridley seems to be suffering from "Stockholm syndrome".
And less said about Farzana Darbari the better. She and her husband were staunch "surkhas" in the days of pre-unipolar world, they quickly switched loyalities to the west and the imperialist USA to get funds for their Islamabad based NGO "PATTAN". Some months back she was endorsing ISAF in Afghanistan and now she is staunchly anti US presence in Afghanistan.

are u suffering from dementia?

stockholm syndrome doesnt "start" 2.5 years AFTER the end of capture!

[kamranmuhammad]

@ Shahahahhah

You are such a nasty hypocrate. When i gave you some link about the tru reports then you cam up to criticise the artilce and sites and now here you go, you coming up with some rubbish stuff from same kind of source. You blind horny black cat, your mind has been rubbed and filled with some westearn propaganda. You are right to support them because this is where you live but then don't consider yourself To be a part of those who try to follow islam to their best extent. I don't feel that bad when some westearn come up with same bull...... but it hurts when peopel like you and you master spoiled our image. If you read the history then you will come to know it's been always such people like you and your master mush, who brought us so far from islam that now a days we feel proud to live such life and still call ourself a muslim. I dont wanna comment on your personal life but i would have love to tell you face to face if i knew your family background.

Yes there is no such enlightened moderate islam. This means Fahashi to me. Islam is Islam which has been revealed 1400 years ago.

The pics you showed above, i can just laugh at your mental health. These are the only and same pic which have been promoted agaisnt Taliban since last 15 year. No body knows the truth, why it was like. This is not just in Afghanistan. You dare to go to Saudi Aarab and ask you female members of family to go here and there as they do in states or some where else. they will be trated in the same way. Also, when west banned Hijab and those rights then you are totaly quite. When some one in afghanistan didn't follow their law and get punished for that then you go crazy, such a hypocrayte. You should have meet some afghan taliban before making your opinion. They are human and they may commit some mistakes but over all they are WAY WAY WAY better than our politicians and generals.

Where the hell these organiyation when millions of female killed, abord and buried live in India and Paksitan etc. Why the hell you dont come up againstt hem and go and attack India. Why not attack Pakistran what's happening to women here, do you american know that????

Should i give you example of women over ins tates where her status is no more than a tissue paper. Where the average of rape is more than anywhere in the world. Think morally!!!!

I know you won't chnage because this Westearn style life has been saturated into your blood, it's not easy to separate something, need alot of effort. you can not live with out this, so you always look for excuse to justify yourself. You will only realize when one day your sister or daughert will be caught infront of you with his boyfriend. Then you will enjoy the fruit of westearn life.

Woman has such a high level in Islam and that's always there. No one can change. But there is always Islamic laws, no one is above than those laws. The level of so called civilized women in west, i can give you thousands of example where they have lost to be a real women. Not in west only, millions of example in our beloved country Pakistan.

Just want to end with last comment!!!!

Islam is same as ever. Koran and prophert said, Islam deen mukamal ho chuka hai. Also, yeh ek behtreen zabt e hayat hai. You wil find many hadith like this.!!! There is no way they says that there will be enlightened modern Islam. So let's say Agar deen mukamal tha aur zabt e hayat bhi to how Sahab were practicing it. how our old islamic world were following it. Are you doing same or we have adopt our more westeran style to live by calling it modern Islam. Take some time and think closely when you are alone!!!!!!