Kal Tak 04th July 2008

Host Javed Chauhdary.
Guests:
Ayaz Meer PML (N) & Um-e-Hasam ( Incharge of Jamia Hafsa)
After 1 year of Lal Majid operation.

[saname769]

Good program. I like the initial and ending remarks by JC. Although many people dont like it. Sometimes they are a bit fictitious but anyway they are mostly nice and worth lisetening.
He seems right in saying that all the sufferings that we have today are due to the cruel action on lal masjid and jamia hafsa. God only knows the truth. This was simply an administrative issue which could have been dealt with more rationally, yet not that cruelly. The media was creating a lot of hype before the incident but it didnt justify such a brutal act of state terrorism.
Another example is the hype created about the control of govt in FATA, but it does not mean use of force is a solution there. Shall we assume that force should be used whenever and wherever there is challenge to the control of the state and media creates a hype on that? The answer is no. Its the duty of the media to highlight the issues and responsibility of the govt to address them. It will be much better if such issues are debated in detail in the parliament and a decision is taken after taking all in the so called house in confidence. In this way there will be people behind all the actions that the govt takes. But again the use of force is not the answer. We need to resolve the issues through dialogue.
We need a lot to learn as a whole nation. I wish we start thinking about our country and develop a love for it. I wish we start feeling proud as pakistanis. This will happen only when we stand united. I see so many groups, PPP jiyalas, PMLN jyalas, JI jyalas, JUI jyalas, ANP jyalas and PTI fans. Where are the pakistanis. I hope I make a sense. We need Quaid's Pakistan. I want our leaders to say that their role model is Quaid e Azam. I hear them praise their own party leaders. Hardly you see them talking about Quaid and Allama Iqbal.
I am not hopeless. Inshallah the time will come when things will change. Its the people and especially the youth who will change the country's destiny.

[maktar]

great programme

[szafar]

It was a very good program. Ume-Hasaan showed a lot of courage and she does not seem to be an ordinary woman. I think we Pakistani are equally responsible for this tragic operation by not protesting when it was launched. God bless Pakistan and save it from these currupt elites and rulers.

[shasnahn]

The violence that followed Lal Masjid is because there are too many terrorists in Pakistan. The operation itself was a last resort after six months of negotiations and peaceful efforts failed. This Umme-Hasan woman should be asked why she turned children into fighters when instead she should have given them education.

[hina123]

Some people do not like JC cz of his "different" story telling style. BUT let me tell u that story telling is one of the best way to understand and debate logic. In fact there are doctoral level courses in business administration (management) where this techniques is used for indepth analysis and critique of knowledge.

I would really doubt that any one will criticize JC cz of his opening remarks where he linked the Jamia Hafsa scenario to the current ongoing problems in Pakistan..... ALAS this is our dilemma and still no one is paying attention to the NeCon's agenda for 2015 which was also recently mentioned by AQK.

We deserve all thnis and we are bound to be doomed....

[shasnahn]

hina123:

I am afraid this "story-telling" method of politics and geopolitics that exists in Pakistan is actually a clever way of hiding facts and making myths. These Jamia Hafsa people would never have had to face any action if they had not picked up guns and committed crimes. JC's "Storybook" way of telling it hides such facts.

I do not think "dialogue" and negotiations works with religious extremists as they believe they are on a mission from God and do not care about talks or treaties with mere mortals.

[noumanali26]

Fantastic Program. Javaid Choudary is simply marvellous.

[abdul]

Lal Masjid is a real touchy issue. I simply just can't comprehend that the people who were responsible for that operation are still among us. Army did that operation, more i think about that the more i hate this army. Insha Allah people who did that and people who supported and are supporting them, will have an unforgettable end result. PPP zardari, who are quite on this issue and even PMLN who all are very vociferous only to make statements on the media, both will end up like Hajaj Bin Yusuf if they persisted with their current policies.

[shasnahn]

Abdul:

why do you hate the army for doing their job? The Lal masjid folks chose to stockpile weapons and went to war with the state, they paid the price for that. One should not feel sympathy for criminals or terrorists just because they are now dead.

[casper]

Sometime I wonder, if this is our own army. We pay them to protect us. Our kids are deprived of basic human right just because army can have kickbacks in buying weapons.

In return, they have lost 4 battles and have been our masters for over 30 year. They have divided Pakistan into half already and are about to do the same again. Moreover,
all the army presidents pretend to be flag bearers of national security but seldom make policies in the national interest.

I do not have sympathies with the Islamic Extremists either. They should be dealt with full conviction and they should not be allowed to push their point of view on anyone else. It is perfectly fine to have such an operation if it is granted by the parliament but a handful of generals should not be allowed to control the fate of our country.

[noumanali26]

shasnahn@

i reckon you need to see a phycatrist. we are unable to answer your high intellect questions.

[NoToRi0uS]

i still think that there was a Big drama behind it ..
sirf us waqat ke offcials ko zimadar thehrana sahe hai ??
lal mosque Intizamia is mein kitni shareek thee ??

I know, the end is tragic & should have not happened..
Is per yahee keh sakta houn " hathioun ke larae mein gihoun he pista hai"

[wellwisher]

Javed Chaudhary can become a good children's program host...he has excellent story telling abilities. May be its time he makes a switch in his career.
and why is Ayaz Amin in this program...what he's got to do with Jamia Hafsa...if JC wanted some real answers he must have invited Ejaz-ul-Haq or some leaders who were involved in the peace talks at that time.
People have "selective amnesia"....when and why did this miltary operation start? Isn't it when students of Jamia Hafsa beat up and stole guns & radio sets of Rangers posted there. There were videos of these beatings too, GEO showed them repeatedly at that time. Which government tolerates this?
Finally, why was Abdul Rashid Ghazi asking for a "safe passage"? What was he afraid of when he considers himself innocent? and where was this safe passage to?

[searchthebest]

Today he is more dramatic than past. Pervaiz Musharaf is still there Shaukat Aziz is enjoying his life n travelling all over the glob. Whole Q league leadership including Shujat, Pervez Elahi, Ejazulhaq and other are still there happily spending there life except the fact they are not in Govt. So the only suffering party here is poor pakistani nation.