Kal Tak 04th July 2008

Host Javed Chauhdary.
Guests:
Ayaz Meer PML (N) & Um-e-Hasam ( Incharge of Jamia Hafsa)
After 1 year of Lal Majid operation.

[glassboyuk]

shame on u mush and shoukat aziz.that was totally unforgivable crime.
u will have to pay the price very soon for what u have done in lal masjid and waziristan

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by wab4u

I've got to admit that I am really surprised that there are people out there who think murdering innocent teenagers is justified ..........

innocent teenagers or heavily armed criminals ? There is a difference. You will be less surprised if you look at the facts of Lal Masjid instead of some story sold by a mullah and sympathic talk show host.

btw when Baitullah Mehsud trains teenage boys to become suicide bombers, why isn't that considered an outrage by Pakistanis?

[jawadkazmi]

Lal Masjid was the place where they used to give speeches that any person who doesn�t follow the Islam they talk about should be beheaded, they have the right of cutting off a person�s head while he is alive, these guys used to promote sectarianism, the people inside at the time operation took place many of them were who with their own hands had killed many Pakistanis, thay have their own brand of islam where no one should smile, women cannot drive, women should not work in public places, these people were responsible for thousands of killings in Pakistan, they took the Capital hostage for many weeks, and it was not just the time when it escalated it was since this place was made and started its operations, these guys burnt the Malody Cinema and a guy was burnt alive in it, they raided many CD shops in the area burnt them, they attacked Chinese people working in the Capital. Why should the atrocities committed by these so called Muslims be set aside. They made sermons that Hazrat Imam Hussain Ibn Ali was rightly killed in Karbala along with his family by Yazeed, in their own circles they call Yazeed Hazrat.
Even then the government was not acting and kept on saying to them to drop the guns and don�t kidnap police and destroy the city. The army action should have been taken earlier.
Their brand of Islam is a disgrace to the beautiful religion of Islam.

[kamranmuhammad]

@ Shasnahn

Dear i followed your comments and was thinking not to respond you BUT as you have posted your opinion here in this topic several times, i would like to say some thing. Dont take it personally.

You described them CRIMINALS plenty of time in your post...... Which court or judge named them Criminals???
Talking about Weapons.......why Media was not allowed to see al those after the Operation???
You were talking about that they could have harmed journalist.......see the channel 1 prograame......the momet army attacked they were inside the Mosque interviewing Ghazi Rasheed.They didn not harm them.
Haroon was killed by his own Army. Bullet from the back.
They got 14 kalshnkoof LICENCED. why Govt issued licenced weapon if they are so dangerous. They needed for their own security and for so many girls studying there. you should know in our society how girls schools are safe.

Coming back to Army, When they didnt let us down???48,71,99, etcetc
WHich country has army killing their own people of chemical weapons???
For the sake of argument if we accept Lall masjid guys comit any crime..was that the reasonable punishment to you????

I can keep going but i guess you will only understnad when you wil think as a muslim and Pakistani.

To me their biggest sin was that they were demanding a Pakistan where Islami rules shud be applicable. 1947 many muslims died, they sacrificed for Paksitan...which was only made for ISLAM....why we demanded new country??? we could have lived with Inida like many muslims living there now if we have to have that modern MTV ya BOLLYWOOD life.

To me that incident was one of the horrible incident in a Pakistani history.

Regards,
Kamran

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

@ Shasnahn

Dear i followed your comments and was thinking not to respond you BUT as you have posted your opinion here in this topic several times, i would like to say some thing. Dont take it personally.

You described them CRIMINALS plenty of time in your post...... Which court or judge named them Criminals???
Talking about Weapons.......why Media was not allowed to see al those after the Operation???
You were talking about that they could have harmed journalist.......see the channel 1 prograame......the momet army attacked they were inside the Mosque interviewing Ghazi Rasheed.They didn not harm them.
Haroon was killed by his own Army. Bullet from the back.
They got 14 kalshnkoof LICENCED. why Govt issued licenced weapon if they are so dangerous. They needed for their own security and for so many girls studying there. you should know in our society how girls schools are safe.

Coming back to Army, When they didnt let us down???48,71,99, etcetc
WHich country has army killing their own people of chemical weapons???
For the sake of argument if we accept Lall masjid guys comit any crime..was that the reasonable punishment to you????

I can keep going but i guess you will only understnad when you wil think as a muslim and Pakistani.

To me their biggest sin was that they were demanding a Pakistan where Islami rules shud be applicable. 1947 many muslims died, they sacrificed for Paksitan...which was only made for ISLAM....why we demanded new country??? we could have lived with Inida like many muslims living there now if we have to have that modern MTV ya BOLLYWOOD life.

To me that incident was one of the horrible incident in a Pakistani history.

Regards,
Kamran

The Lal Masjid folks proudly acknowledged their criminal acts, except they called them "Shariat" and "Jihad". You dont need a judge to convict them.

Regarding the weapons, they had a lot more than 14 Kalashnikovs. They had gas masks, pistols, rifles, petrol bombs and other stuff as well. They were seen fighting with it not only during the operation but afterwards the army displayed the captured weapon as well. This wont convince you as you believe the lunatic mullah of Lal Masjid rather than the Army which did its job in destroying an internal threat to Pakistan.

Quite frankly if you think being Muslim and Pakistani means allowing criminals to run amok in the name of Shariat and Jihad then you know nothing about Islam or Pakistan.

[gkhan]

Thank you for another post.

[kamranmuhammad]

@ SHAH......

There wasnt a single logical point in your post. So don't know what to respond.

Criminals criminals criminals????? who said so....YOU & Musharaff !!!! Funny

[kashifmasood]

well army itni bhi bholi nahi, ke use kaha giya aur us ne kar diya. Our army lacks humanity and respect for others.

[farrukhiqbal]

Hi, It was good program but i dont agree with UM-E-hASAM a little coz Islam is not about JABBAR... and no one can force anyother to follow islam.kio k 'Islam mei Jabbar nai hai'
As far as Musharaff is concerned he is ....i dont hav wod to explain him
Bye

[jawadkazmi]

Originally Posted by kashifmasood

well army itni bhi bholi nahi, ke use kaha giya aur us ne kar diya. Our army lacks humanity and respect for others.

And bloody Lal Masjid was the epitome and height of excellence and the humanity you are quoting here all know how humanitarian were these extremists in Lal msjid,

jawadkazmi added 18 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

@ SHAH......

There wasnt a single logical point in your post. So don't know what to respond.

Criminals criminals criminals????? who said so....YOU & Musharaff !!!! Funny

I Am sorry to say, there is no single logical point in your Gibberish ,

If these Lal Masjid extremists were not criminals then what else were they,
ISLAM....they say
You and these guys from LAL MASJID Talk of ISLAM and QURAN... these MULLAS were twisting Islam they know **** about ISLAM.

THESE MULLAS COULDNOT UNDERSTAND GHALIB and THEY THINK THEY FULLY UNDERSTAND ISLAM AND QURAN...
People do PHD in Ghalib and IQBAL,
These MULLAS do **** all....

Inn kooo Iqbal kee kabhee samajh nahee aye....
They cant understand IQBAL, and think that they have the Authority on QURAN ....

Have these LAL MASJID SUPPORTERS GOT ANY BRAINS????

And evidence you guys talk about ....

The bloody LAL MASJID supporters that were let go.... are in VIDEOS cutting peoples heads off....
Not even animal ia killed in the fashion they do it...


Their ideals are bloody USAMA BIN LADIN.... (he should be called LAA DIN � baghair deen wala)

These mullas were against creation of Pakistan ... Qaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah gave us a modern Pakistan a Pakistan that looks into the future not drag it back to stone age..

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by kamranmuhammad

@ SHAH......

There wasnt a single logical point in your post. So don't know what to respond.

Criminals criminals criminals????? who said so....YOU & Musharaff !!!! Funny

I dont think you know what logic is, and your beloved Lal Masjid was responsible for murder of 10 more policeman today. Keep supporting those who destroy your country through lawlessness and suicide attacks.

[ismaeelahmed]

I really doubt the intellectual abilities of this stupid compare. I dont know why he is flaming peoples emotions.

The result...

A suicide bomber hits today.

[jawadkazmi]

Originally Posted by ismaeelahmed

I really doubt the intellectual abilities of this stupid compare. I dont know why he is flaming peoples emotions.

The result...

A suicide bomber hits today.

I totally agree with you on this... This stupid compare simply portrayed himself as an Al Qaeda Taleban and LAL Masjid supporter, really i do not see any difference between them. And then there are comments saying we cant call these Terrorists criminals .... what else one can call these guys from stone age...... the bomb blast today says it all.... now a comment will come in saying it is the people who are against LAL ****... MASJID is a far too nice word to use for these LAL ****ters. They targeted police on purpose and throughout the processions they were chanting to cut people’s heads off.. destruction and Jihad against all who live life in a sensible way....