Talk Show Jawab Deyh 5th April 2009

[NoToRi0uS]

Guest: Syed Manawar Hasan Ameer Jamat-e-Islami

[johnybaba]

Originally Posted by Kaleem

You either behave or I will delete all your posts I will not care if they are relevant, or the arguments are good I will DELETE them.
BEHAVE.

At admin, i will behave, however, can you also ask these people supporting Taliban/Jihadi Tanzeems who are killing people at will to also behave? This senseless killing in Chakwal today, how can anyone support that? Once people like me point it out, these JI supporters and Taliban supporters are all over me calling me non-muslim? Please tell the 30 shia facilies in Chakwal today, the thousands of shia families in D.I Khan that are being killed by these Jihadi organizations to behave!

In D.I Khan there is basically a genocide against the shias. They are being killed ruthlessly by these so called Jihadi organizations. The Taliban are more than happy to support these elements because they also have their own agenda that is being advanced because of all this mayhem. To blame India, Afghanistan, and Amerika is ridiculous. Was America also involved in the shia-sunni conflict in Karachi in the 1990's? Was it not the cold war between Saudi Arab and Iran that was being played out by our own 'muslims' in the streets of Karachi in the 1990's where thousands of shia youths and hundreds of sunni leaders were killed? To shout Amerika Amerika and then blame everything on them is paramount to the ultimate ignorance.

I was told by one Jamatia not to think or i don't need to enhance my intelligence? This is the sort of crowd that is telling me to behave? Don't tell me to behave!!! Pray for the people that were killed in Chakwal today and pray in advance for the thousands that will be senselessly killed because of these Lashkars, Jihadis, and Taliban that are turning the gun on their own people.

[GraanG2]

Munawwar hassan saab ne Host ki hosh uda diyie...Bechara start mein bahut bidak raha tha ...lekin Jab lajawab hone laga toh chup ho gaya ...Is host ko kya pata is ka pala kis se pad gaya ....Jo log sach bolte hain un ko sochne ki zaroorat nahi hoti...GEO Munawwar Hasan Saab

[johnybaba]

Originally Posted by smaqsood

All ID in support of fkfkfk are actually, created by fkfkfk
same person with different IDs

I don't know who fkfkfk is, but i just signed up to watch these shows on this site a couple of days ago. And then i noticed the posts in this website in support of Munawar Hassan, who i believe to be the ultimate munafiq. Please read the questions that were posted by the other guy not very fond of Munawar Hassan and then try to answer those questions before accusing me of being fkfkfk (whoever that might be).

[smaqsood]

Originally Posted by johnybaba

I don't know who fkfkfk is, but i just signed up to watch these shows on this site a couple of days ago. And then i noticed the posts in this website in support of Munawar Hassan, who i believe to be the ultimate munafiq. Please read the questions that were posted by the other guy not very fond of Munawar Hassan and then try to answer those questions before accusing me of being fkfkfk (whoever that might be).

I am not a member of Jummat i Islami...

BUT, I know this thing...

If you are blaming (Buhtaan) someone you should have proof of that and without proof I think ... by just saying Munfiq etc .. no body will belive..

Could you please give some proof to bolster your aurgument

[bluebee]

Johnybaba said "You say 'Lailah Ill Lallah Muhammadur Rasuulah' and you don't want women to take part in practical public life, i.e., running a business (i am saying that since you are defending Munawar Hassan, mardood, harami, Amerika and Saudi ka tatoo)"

Johnybaba you seem a very devotee muslim, could you please tell me the "kalama" you are keep on mentioning, its spreader i.e. Muhammad rasoolullah peace be upon him ever used words "mardood, harami ...." for anyone who had claimed himself a muslim ?

[johnybaba]

Originally Posted by bluebee

Johnybaba said "You say 'Lailah Ill Lallah Muhammadur Rasuulah' and you don't want women to take part in practical public life, i.e., running a business (i am saying that since you are defending Munawar Hassan, mardood, harami, Amerika and Saudi ka tatoo)"

Johnybaba you seem a very devotee muslim, could you please tell me the "kalama" you are keep on mentioning, its spreader i.e. Muhammad rasoolullah peace be upon him ever used words "mardood, harami ...." for anyone who had claimed himself a muslim ?

My friend, it's always nice to see that you are hurt by the words 'mardood' and 'hara**' but you are not hurt by the piles of dead bodies that Taliban/Jihadis/Lashkars have begun to pile up in Pakistan (and you seem content to defend these 'muslims' who are killing muslims. Don't reply to me by saying Amerika, India, Isreal. Tell me why support a muslim killing a muslim?)

I am not apologising for Americans here; Americans have done very bad things and continue to do so, but to support Taliban, these organizations and listening to the crap from Munawar Hassan (the ultimate beneficiary of all this, he gets power, money and everything else) because they are against Amerika is not only senseless but suicidal. Once these organizations are done killing the state of Pakistan, they will turn their guns on the people of Pakistan.

I might not be a very 'good' muslim, whatever that means. But i know one thing, people like Munawar Hassan, who are on a senseless agenda, just because these jihadis/lashkars/Taliban are against Amerika, is going to help in the ultimate destruction of the state of Pakistan. What proof do you want me to give? He says in the interview that the Taliban government in Afghanistan was the best out of the 57 muslim countries. Do i need any more proof? Do you know that if the Taliban government would be in power in Pakistan today, you will not be able to log onto the Internet and reply to me? (tell me this is not true? Munawar Hassan talks about Balance Sheet. Do half the people that support him know what a Balance Sheet is? He just wants his supporters to be increased so he can claim more power and more fame)

What are you people smoking man? Have you read any news and articles (or evern gone to Afghanistan when Taliban was in power) to support these guys?

[bluebee]

Originally Posted by johnybaba

At admin, i will behave, however, can you also ask these people supporting Taliban/Jihadi Tanzeems who are killing people at will to also behave? This senseless killing in Chakwal today, how can anyone support that? Once people like me point it out, these JI supporters and Taliban supporters are all over me calling me non-muslim? Please tell the 30 shia facilies in Chakwal today, the thousands of shia families in D.I Khan that are being killed by these Jihadi organizations to behave!

In D.I Khan there is basically a genocide against the shias. They are being killed ruthlessly by these so called Jihadi organizations. The Taliban are more than happy to support these elements because they also have their own agenda that is being advanced because of all this mayhem. To blame India, Afghanistan, and Amerika is ridiculous. Was America also involved in the shia-sunni conflict in Karachi in the 1990's? Was it not the cold war between Saudi Arab and Iran that was being played out by our own 'muslims' in the streets of Karachi in the 1990's where thousands of shia youths and hundreds of sunni leaders were killed? To shout Amerika Amerika and then blame everything on them is paramount to the ultimate ignorance.

I was told by one Jamatia not to think or i don't need to enhance my intelligence? This is the sort of crowd that is telling me to behave? Don't tell me to behave!!! Pray for the people that were killed in Chakwal today and pray in advance for the thousands that will be senselessly killed because of these Lashkars, Jihadis, and Taliban that are turning the gun on their own people.

No one who is left with a bit of sanity can even think about supporting events like one in chakwal. Like Quran says that Ibraheem was neither a Jew nor a christian .... similarly the one who verbally recites shahada by believing in it, he/she is a muslim, Rasoolullah was neither shia nor sunni. A muslim is a muslim, so I guess we should try to minimize this division.
What a jamatia says or what an imamia says really doesn't matter. Everyone has its own capacity and way of thinking and level of intellect and people reflect themselves according to that. I guess we shouldn't consider a whole movement based upon individuals.
This is an era of confusion so probably its better to be extremely caustious about what we say because we do not always know the complete truth since there are so many ways to manipulate things. When it comes to America and Muslims, I will incline towards what Muslims say rather what America wants me to believe in. Dirty games of CIA have been depicted several times through their own media which shows how they frame people to achieve their objectives.

[GraanG2]

Originally Posted by johnybaba

My friend, it's always nice to see that you are hurt by the words 'mardood' and 'hara**' but you are not hurt by the piles of dead bodies that Taliban/Jihadis/Lashkars have begun to pile up in Pakistan (and you seem content to defend these 'muslims' who are killing muslims. Don't reply to me by saying Amerika, India, Isreal. Tell me why support a muslim killing a muslim?)

I ll answer this one...
Didn't u hear Munawwar hasan ,He said ,Dushman ka Dushman Dost hota hai ,aur Dushman ka dost Dushman...(Enemy's enemy is a friend and Enemy's friend is enemy)...So All this started when US attacked Afghanistani Talibans and Pakistan Supported them...SO for Talibans Pak army (US friend ) is enemy too...If we had to fight this war against talibans then now we shouldn't complain.

[bluebee]

Originally Posted by johnybaba

My friend, it's always nice to see that you are hurt by the words 'mardood' and 'hara**' but you are not hurt by the piles of dead bodies that Taliban/Jihadis/Lashkars have begun to pile up in Pakistan (and you seem content to defend these 'muslims' who are killing muslims. Don't reply to me by saying Amerika, India, Isreal. Tell me why support a muslim killing a muslim?)

I am not apologising for Americans here; Americans have done very bad things and continue to do so, but to support Taliban, these organizations and listening to the crap from Munawar Hassan (the ultimate beneficiary of all this, he gets power, money and everything else) because they are against Amerika is not only senseless but suicidal. Once these organizations are done killing the state of Pakistan, they will turn their guns on the people of Pakistan.

I might not be a very 'good' muslim, whatever that means. But i know one thing, people like Munawar Hassan, who are on a senseless agenda, just because these jihadis/lashkars/Taliban are against Amerika, is going to help in the ultimate destruction of the state of Pakistan. What proof do you want me to give? He says in the interview that the Taliban government in Afghanistan was the best out of the 57 muslim countries. Do i need any more proof? Do you know that if the Taliban government would be in power in Pakistan today, you will not be able to log onto the Internet and reply to me? (tell me this is not true? Munawar Hassan talks about Balance Sheet. Do half the people that support him know what a Balance Sheet is? He just wants his supporters to be increased so he can claim more power and more fame)

What are you people smoking man? Have you read any news and articles (or evern gone to Afghanistan when Taliban was in power) to support these guys?

Brother I am not an advocate of Munawar Hasan sahib or Taliban. They can be and should be criticized for their actions and I guess its a healthy attitude for the betterment of society. All I am trying to say is that we should try to minimize the rift amongst different factions of muslims. Remember when America was compaigning against Taliban and gathering moral sympathy from all over the world, a video was released where a woman in hijab was being shot dead by taliban ? The other day Hameed Gul sahib was saying on a t.v show that it has been proved that the video was fake and it was designed on a particular agenda. Once again I am not an advocate of Taliban but when it comes to Muslims and America, I will tend to incline towards muslims (and I said " I will tend to ... meaning not blindly).

[johnybaba]

Originally Posted by GraanG2

I ll answer this one...
Didn't u hear Munawwar hasan ,He said ,Dushman ka Dushman Dost hota hai ,aur Dushman ka dost Dushman...(Enemy's enemy is a friend and Enemy's friend is enemy)...So All this started when US attacked Afghanistani Talibans and Pakistan Supported them...SO for Talibans Pak army (US friend ) is enemy too...If we had to fight this was against talibans then now we shouldn't complain.

No all this started when Amerika asked Taliban to give up Bin Laden, and Taliban were not giving him up. By that rationale, Iran is also against Amerika, so they are friend, right? But Iran is also against Alqaeda and Taliban, so we should be against them as well (so let's see, Iran = Friend-against Amerika; Iran = against Taliban and Alqaeda, so enemy's enemy is a friend and if Iran is a friend, their enemy is our enemy). There you go, formula solved.

Anyways, why are you supporting Taliban then if you are calling that 'we' shouldn't complain? If 'we' shouldn't complain, the least you can do is support 'we' Army. The Army is not friend of Amerika, the Army is friend of Pakistan. The Army is made up of Pashtoons, Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis and Muhajirs. They are Pakistan's Army. And if you read your Jihadi manual correctly, only a state can declare Jihad, so if Pakistan has not called for Jihad, then the Taliban are the enemy.

[GraanG2]

Originally Posted by johnybaba

No all this started when Amerika asked Taliban to give up Bin Laden, and Taliban were not giving him up. By that rationale, Iran is also against Amerika, so they are friend, right? But Iran is also against Alqaeda and Taliban, so we should be against them as well (so let's see, Iran = Friend-against Amerika; Iran = against Taliban and Alqaeda, so enemy's enemy is a friend and if Iran is a friend, their enemy is our enemy). There you go, formula solved.

Anyways, why are you supporting Taliban then if you are calling that 'we' shouldn't complain? If 'we' shouldn't complain, the least you can do is support 'we' Army. The Army is not friend of Amerika, the Army is friend of Pakistan. The Army is made up of Pashtoons, Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis and Muhajirs. They are Pakistan's Army. And if you read your Jihadi manual correctly, only a state can declare Jihad, so if Pakistan has not called for Jihad, then the Taliban are the enemy.

U are too immature for these kinda debates ...My experience says ur age is between 15 to 20...lol
I dont care who iran support and who Iran dislike...But Iran never allowed USA to use their soil to kill Talibans...why would Taliban go and do suicide bombing in Iran ???
Taliban didn't give up Bin Laden cos they were not like Musharraf to give up someone without proof ???Musharraf Sold ur pakistanis to US for a few dollars u never called him terrorist ,But gave him protocol and security and also lives in army house with our tax money...Cos ur master US dont want anybody touch him.How would someone allow anyone to hurt their loyal slave ???
And how is Pak Army friend of Pakistan and Islam if they allowing US to use their soil against their Muslim Brothers ???And that too for a few Dollars ???
You mean Pakistani ruling government will act cowardly and dont call for Jihad ,So every muslim should say ,O ALLAH we wanted to go for Jihad But Zardari and Rehman Malik did not call for Jihad ?What Nonsense ???

[johnybaba]

Originally Posted by GraanG2

U are too immature for these kinda debates ...My experience says ur age is between 15 to 20...lol
I dont care who iran support and who Iran dislike...But Iran never allowed USA to use their soil to kill Talibans...why would Taliban go and do suicide bombing in Iran ???
Taliban didn't give up Bin Laden cos they were not like Musharraf to give up someone without proof ???Musharraf Sold ur pakistanis to US for a few dollars u never called him terrorist ,But gave him protocol and security and also lives in army house with our tax money...Cos ur master US dont want anybody touch him.How would someone allow anyone to hurt their loyal slave ???
And how is Pak Army friend of Pakistan and Islam if they allowing US to use their soil against their Muslim Brothers ???And that too for a few Dollars ???
You mean Pakistani ruling government will act cowardly and dont call for Jihad ,So every muslim should say ,O ALLAH we wanted to go for Jihad But Zardari and Rehman Malik did not call for Jihad ?What Nonsense ???

Allright man, you can think that you are right and you can think i am wrong. If you are into this jihad bull sh*t, i would recommend that you start a jihad against the improper driving in Pakistan. Start a jihad against non-cleanliness of hamari azeem awam. Start a jihad aginst the piles of garbage at every street corner. Start a jihad against corruption in Pakistan. Start a jihad against jagirdaars in Punjab. Start a jihad against illiteracy. Start a jihad against violence against women.

By the way, can you quote me one ayat from the Quran that says that muslims need to create a muslim state? None exists. Neither there is hadith about it. However, your favorite Munawar Hassan would like to tell you otherwise, since in his Islamic State, he has the power.

You are calling me immature? Lol. The talking points are comming directly from Imran Bhai's mouth here (you are just repeating Imran Bhai here), another politician exploiting people of Pakistan. Man, why don't you go clean your house and tell me how better of a muslim you feel after cleaning up. You wouldn't feel better, becuase you get more pleasure out of blasting against the West, blaming other people for your problems and it also creates a reason for you not to fix yourself (this is all predicated if you live in Pakistan, if you live in the West, you are bigger hypocrite)

Lagay raho.....

[GraanG2]

Originally Posted by johnybaba

Allright man, you can think that you are right and you can think i am wrong. If you are into this jihad bull sh*t, i would recommend that you start a jihad against the improper driving in Pakistan. Start a jihad against non-cleanliness of hamari azeem awam. Start a jihad aginst the piles of garbage at every street corner. Start a jihad against corruption in Pakistan. Start a jihad against jagirdaars in Punjab. Start a jihad against illiteracy. Start a jihad against violence against women.

first of all u should shut ur mouth before calling jihad Bull****...
And then the way u talk ,I belive u should go and do that kinda of jihad ,by collecting plastic bags and cleaning gutters.And u stop voting for these corrupt leaders.The corruption will go itself.

Originally Posted by johnybaba

if you live in the West, you are bigger hypocrite)

So u mean the embassaders of western countries in pakistan are hypocrites too...Brother they are there to give us visa of their countries and we go to their countries not to beg,We work for them and they give us Money.Islam never tell u not to go to non muslim countries ,as long as u stay in the limits of Islam.

[jazbajunon]

Munawar Hassan did not say anything solid...... He just wants to support Talibans regardless of all the suicide bombings and acts Talibans are doing... Anyhow, this is good that Jamat Islami is now totally visible on their stand on Talibans...

[GraanG2]

Originally Posted by jazbajunon

Munawar Hassan did not say anything solid...... He just wants to support Talibans regardless of all the suicide bombings and acts Talibans are doing... Anyhow, this is good that Jamat Islami is now totally visible on their stand on Talibans...

People that support talibans are basically enemies of Pakistan....

Thanks for this new comment...lol...I am tired of this sick logic