BrassTack - Rise of Hindu Zionism & Threats to Pakistan

Zaid Hamid with fresh episode of BrassTack

[bezerk05]

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[genghiz]

Originally Posted by bezerk05

And i guess the military fuked ur Indian whore mommy.

ha ha ha......kabhi jaakar pooch apni amma se ki kitni bangaliyon ne thoka tha use.....ya phir teri tarah teri amma bhi zaid hamid ki rakhail to nahin!

[ashraf]

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[commoner]

@Fellows
Please avoid personnal and family attacks. Scholarly discourse requires some decency.
@Admin
Time for you to take a look but please dont ban anyone

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@bezerk05

Khalid Hassan writes in DAWN:

Chaudhri Rehmat Ali's claim that he coined the word Pakistan has always been disputed by Mohammad Aslam Khattak, who is alive and, if asked, will reaffirm his claim that he it was who came up with the acronym Pakistan.

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali is buried in Cambridge because that is where he chose to live instead of Pakistan which he denounced in language of the vilest abuse. He used even harsher words for the founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

In 1933, Chaudhri Rehmat Ali wrote a pamphlet called 'Now or Never'; it bore three signatures, one of the signatories being Aslam Khattak. He criticized Iqbal for proposing an Indian federation in which the Muslims would be a minority.

He castigated other Muslim leaders whom he called camp followers of British imperialism and blind imitators of Congress who had placed the Muslims at the mercy of British imperialism and caste Hindu nationalism.

Since all Muslim leaders had failed, he wrote, "Allah has assigned that fateful task to me, that He commanded me to do it; that He wanted me to challenge the might, to oppose the Indian federation, to propose the Islamic federation." He called his mission divinely inspired.

In Rehmat Ali's concept of Pakistan, every non-Muslim was to remain subservient to the master race he called The Paks. And, yes, the subcontinent was to be renamed Dinia. He did not say how he was going to bring all that about.

Exactly six days after the Muslim League's acceptance of the June 3, 1947, Plan, Rehmat Ali denounced the Quaid-i-Azam in venomous language. Ten weeks later, he published a pamphlet called 'The Greatest Betrayal' condemning the Quaid and the League for having written "the most shameful and treacherous chapter" in Muslim history.

He wrote that the Quaid had shattered the foundations of Muslim nationhood and sabotaged the future of 100 million Muslims living in the "continent of Dinia and its dependencies." He called on all Muslims to rise against Jinnah and "repudiate and nullify his treacherous plan."

Rehmat Ali said Mr Jinnah had dealt six "deadly blows" to the Muslims. He had destroyed Muslim unity, and paralyzed and battered Bengal and Assam, turning them into dominions bearing allegiance to "the King of Britain".

He had let the Hindus free to plan the "division, degradation and exploitation of the Millat." Mr Jinnah had surrendered Muslim shrines and mosques to the Hindus and turned Muslim victories of the past into defeats. He wrote that Mr Jinnah had not accepted Pakistan but "PASTAN, the shadow of Pakistan."

There is more but I will stop here with the observation that even the worst enemies of the Quaid and the Muslim League put together will not be seen to have heaped such abuse on him.

The Quaid, as was characteristic of him, simply ignored the outpourings of a confused mind

Hafeez ur Rehman adds:

While Mr Jinnah, with his bad health but millions of Muslims at his
beck and call, was labouring day and night to create a separate
homeland for them in India, Rahmat Ali, safe in Cambridge, was
spinning grandiose dreams of conquering Hindustan without a single
follower to his name. And when the former had achieved his
objective, look what the Chaudhry had to say about it.

He said the Quaid had dealt six deadly blows to the Millat. I need
not recount the six blows; they are too deadly for this column to
take. If you are interested you can read the book "Pakistan, the
fatherland of the Pak nation," published by Book Traders of Lahore,
which also contains Rahmat Ali's original pamphlet "Now or Never"
on what Pakistan, the name coined by him, was supposed to consist
of as a resuscitated Muslim empire.

[shasnahn]

Originally Posted by genghiz

sorry if my accusations against ur husband has hurt you mrs. zaid hamid.......Just look up the 65 war on the net and u will get a 100 links which tell a completely different story.....also his story about the secession of bangladesh makes it appear like it was entirely the result of a conspiracy of india and awami league.........he doesnt mention that awami league had won an outright majority in the election and mujib ur rehman should have been the prime minister of both east and west pakistan. But the president of pakistan had refused to acknowledge that.....the same story has been repeated numerous times in a lot of other talk shows by different intellectuals and military generals......

this guy is a certified schizo and so r friggin jerks like u like u who support them....already guys like him and u have brought this country to the condition it is in right now.....

hmm well the story of 1971 is correct. the awami league began training the mukti bahini before 1970. they then needed an excuse to whip up resentment and violence and Zulfiqar Bhutto gave them one.

[commoner]

@bezerk05
Your assertion that "it was Bhutto said "Jo bhi East Pakistan jaye ga us ki tangain toor don ga" and "Idhar hum udhar tum"." is basically the propaganda spewed by Intelligence agencies/GHQ in an attempt to divert attention from the crimes committed by Ayub and Yahya Khan.
Bhutto never said tangain toor doon ga, what he said was that whoever would go to east Pakistan would have no legs to stand upon meaning he would not have any legitimacy and popular support because that lied with PPP who were overwhelmingly voted by the people of west Pakistan.
Secondly it was Abbas Ather, the present editor of Daily Express and host of ColumnKaar, who wrote the heading in his newspaper "udhar tum idhar hum". Bhutto never said that.
So Please learn some unbiased historical facts and do not regurgitate the propaganda of Barrackcracy to undermine democracy by trying to make villians out of popular leadership, unwittingly I hope.

[aikhan]

Originally Posted by genghiz

This guy has so conveniently sidelined the atrocities committed by our military headed by general niazi(who was publicly called a debauch by kiyani in meray mutabiq). The pakistani army apparently committed mass murders to quell the uprising and raped and mutilated tens of thousands of women. This is another side of the story, which though painful to listen to, has some, if not whole, truth to it. Also he says in the program that the military fought valiantly but the truth is that they surrendered within a week after the indian army entered bangladesh and that too without putting up any fight. 90,000 troops had surrendered that day and it is still the biggest surrender in numbers by any army, anywhere in the world.

Anyway I am a pakistani and love my country as much as anyone else. But i am sick of this so called form of patriotism where all we do is accuse everyone else for all the problems that we are currently and have historically faced. There is no denying that our enemies have played their role but we have played ourselves into their hand throughout our history. This is high time for some self introspection. Imagine our so called friend china isnt even willing to help us anymore and dig us out of the hole but is willing to provide poor african countries with as much funds as they want. Well i dont blame them as the chinese have far more wisdom than us when it comes to worldly matters. That is the reason they are well on their way to become the next big superpower. Our arch enemy india has realised that and is making all out efforts to win china over.

Its our present circumstances that make radical lunatics like zaid hamid popular. Its just a sign of our times. He says things (and i have to admit quite fluently) which seem intriguing, interesting and somehow feed to our twisted sense of patriotism, one that has been cultivated since the inception of our country. Also there is no one to QUESTION his theories or seperate his facts from fiction and the dumb girl in the program is there just to announce the breaks in between.

I agreed fully with you because I was a teenager in 1971 and was in chittagong at that time, a family member one of 90,000 Pakistani armed forces, who had been held in India....I never recover the feeling of shame and decided not to join the Pakistan army and or Pakistani civil services...left Pakistan in 1976 and never regret. but still i love Pakistan very much and visit home now and then time to time.

[bezerk05]

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[kamranmuhammad]

@All

Please Please Please Please Please Do Show your anger and frustration if you got any reservation about anyone or about any event BUT with an acceptable language.

[Silverblaze]

@ Bezerk
@ genghiz
Please discuss these issues within the limits of gentility and decency. Please respect each others views and talk with facts. You are reasonable people; discuss, but without making personal comments.
Thanx.

[genghiz]

Originally Posted by bezerk05

tu bhi apni mama say pooch lay kitnay hinduoan nay usay thoka hai

admin, I wasnt the one but this khusra who started getting personal when he couldnt defend his gay lover zaid hamid anymore.....saying stuff like i should get out of pakistan and also about my family.......pakistan koi iski maa ka kotha nahin jo main is raand ki aulaad ki baat sunoonga

[saritob]

"Pakistani fawj nai bengal mai har mahaz pe gumsaan ki larayi lari...." great ... we are funny or he is funny? i am unable to decide.
"when we will stop lieing"????
hiding the truth will not bring the patriotism...

[Engr_Ali]

@Admin
Re: BrassTack - Rise of Hindu Zionism & Threats to Pakistan
Quote:
Originally Posted by bezerk05
tu bhi apni mama say pooch lay kitnay hinduoan nay usay thoka hai
admin, I wasnt the one but this khusra who started getting personal when he couldnt defend his gay lover zaid hamid anymore.....saying stuff like i should get out of pakistan and also about my family.......pakistan koi iski maa ka kotha nahin jo main is raand ki aulaad ki baat sunoonga


Admin can you please make sure that uncivilized examples like above are purged from the form so that we can have some decent discussions..

[bezerk05]

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[genghiz]

Originally Posted by bezerk05

aur tuj jaisay soor ki aulaad jis ki ma hinduoan ki rakhail ho...teri baat kon suna..madar ch##

saale khusre, teri maa to bangaliyon se chudi hai lekin teri behnon ko main chodungaa......ya zaid hamid already chod raha hai unko!