BrassTack - Rise of Hindu Zionism & Threats to Pakistan

Zaid Hamid with fresh episode of BrassTack

[genghiz]

Originally Posted by bezerk05

teri maa tou hindustan ki mashoor randi bun kar world record lun apnay ander liye hain..akhir teri dadi say jo seekha hai..ab teri beti bhi maha randi ho gi... ab tou tera business bohat chalay ga bharway...teri dadi , maa aur teri beti bhi hinduoan aur bengaliyoon ka lun lain gi...aur tu duniya kay sub khusroan ka.

HA HA HA khusra apne khandaan ke pol khol raha hai bhari mehfil mein.........maine tujse tere khaandan ka mazi nahin poocha jo tu bata raha hai......vaise aaj hi pata chala ki yeh tumhara khandaani dhanda hai....not a big surprise though.....tabhi allah ne tujhe khusra paidha kiya....teri amma to zindagi bhar leti rahi , ab teri behnon ki baari hai....main to teri behnon ko tere saamne hi chodunga aur saaron ko ek saath.....i know u will enjoy that BEGUM NAWAZISH

[Cupertino]

Interesting that he discussed the role of Bhutto during 1965 war and Tashkant agreement. If this is true that Pakistan High Commission informed Foreign Ministry two days in advance, and it sat on Foreign Minister (Bhutto) desk for two days, this amounts to Criminal Negligence. How Bhutto was able to retain his post as Foreign Minister?

Also take a look at the pic in the program where Ayub Khan is signing the Tashkant agreement with Bhutto sitting next to him, a lethal combination. In my mind these two were the Architects of political and national crimes and blunders in 60's and 70's for our country.

[adraf]

Although I agree with political views of genghis but when you think you are right please refrain from bad mouthing. Or atleast keep it seperate from the point you are making.

You basically have harmed the right cause more than the ppl who are against it.

Its better to have wise enemy than dumb friends.

[bezerk05]

Originally Posted by commoner

@bezerk05
Your assertion that "it was Bhutto said "Jo bhi East Pakistan jaye ga us ki tangain toor don ga" and "Idhar hum udhar tum"." is basically the propaganda spewed by Intelligence agencies/GHQ in an attempt to divert attention from the crimes committed by Ayub and Yahya Khan.
Bhutto never said tangain toor doon ga, what he said was that whoever would go to east Pakistan would have no legs to stand upon meaning he would not have any legitimacy and popular support because that lied with PPP who were overwhelmingly voted by the people of west Pakistan.
Secondly it was Abbas Ather, the present editor of Daily Express and host of ColumnKaar, who wrote the heading in his newspaper "udhar tum idhar hum". Bhutto never said that.
So Please learn some unbiased historical facts and do not regurgitate the propaganda of Barrackcracy to undermine democracy by trying to make villians out of popular leadership, unwittingly I hope.

Here is the answer. I suggest that you go through the timeline as well on pages 82-83. The author is a professor emeritus at Department of Political Science ,University of Waterloo, Canada.

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@bezerk05

Khalid Hassan writes in DAWN:

Chaudhri Rehmat Ali's claim that he coined the word Pakistan has always been disputed by Mohammad Aslam Khattak, who is alive and, if asked, will reaffirm his claim that he it was who came up with the acronym Pakistan.

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali is buried in Cambridge because that is where he chose to live instead of Pakistan which he denounced in language of the vilest abuse. He used even harsher words for the founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

In 1933, Chaudhri Rehmat Ali wrote a pamphlet called 'Now or Never'; it bore three signatures, one of the signatories being Aslam Khattak. He criticized Iqbal for proposing an Indian federation in which the Muslims would be a minority.

He castigated other Muslim leaders whom he called camp followers of British imperialism and blind imitators of Congress who had placed the Muslims at the mercy of British imperialism and caste Hindu nationalism.

Since all Muslim leaders had failed, he wrote, "Allah has assigned that fateful task to me, that He commanded me to do it; that He wanted me to challenge the might, to oppose the Indian federation, to propose the Islamic federation." He called his mission divinely inspired.

In Rehmat Ali's concept of Pakistan, every non-Muslim was to remain subservient to the master race he called The Paks. And, yes, the subcontinent was to be renamed Dinia. He did not say how he was going to bring all that about.

Exactly six days after the Muslim League's acceptance of the June 3, 1947, Plan, Rehmat Ali denounced the Quaid-i-Azam in venomous language. Ten weeks later, he published a pamphlet called 'The Greatest Betrayal' condemning the Quaid and the League for having written "the most shameful and treacherous chapter" in Muslim history.

He wrote that the Quaid had shattered the foundations of Muslim nationhood and sabotaged the future of 100 million Muslims living in the "continent of Dinia and its dependencies." He called on all Muslims to rise against Jinnah and "repudiate and nullify his treacherous plan."

Rehmat Ali said Mr Jinnah had dealt six "deadly blows" to the Muslims. He had destroyed Muslim unity, and paralyzed and battered Bengal and Assam, turning them into dominions bearing allegiance to "the King of Britain".

He had let the Hindus free to plan the "division, degradation and exploitation of the Millat." Mr Jinnah had surrendered Muslim shrines and mosques to the Hindus and turned Muslim victories of the past into defeats. He wrote that Mr Jinnah had not accepted Pakistan but "PASTAN, the shadow of Pakistan."

There is more but I will stop here with the observation that even the worst enemies of the Quaid and the Muslim League put together will not be seen to have heaped such abuse on him.

The Quaid, as was characteristic of him, simply ignored the outpourings of a confused mind

Hafeez ur Rehman adds:

While Mr Jinnah, with his bad health but millions of Muslims at his
beck and call, was labouring day and night to create a separate
homeland for them in India, Rahmat Ali, safe in Cambridge, was
spinning grandiose dreams of conquering Hindustan without a single
follower to his name. And when the former had achieved his
objective, look what the Chaudhry had to say about it.

He said the Quaid had dealt six deadly blows to the Millat. I need
not recount the six blows; they are too deadly for this column to
take. If you are interested you can read the book "Pakistan, the
fatherland of the Pak nation," published by Book Traders of Lahore,
which also contains Rahmat Ali's original pamphlet "Now or Never"
on what Pakistan, the name coined by him, was supposed to consist
of as a resuscitated Muslim empire.

In response to your points I am posting the link to KK Aziz's autobiography of Chaudry Rehmat Ali. In short he has written that Chaudry Rehmat Ali was one of the pioneers behind Pakistan.
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KK Aziz is one of the oldest, most experienced and one of the best historians of Pakistan and has international standing. He has given lectures at University of Toronto and has held federal government positions such as in Historical & Cultural Research, and Special Policy Adviser to the Prime Minister.
On page 79 he gives us evidence that when all the Muslim leaders (including Iqbal) had voted for a united India it was Chaudry Rehmat Ali who tried to convince them on a separate homeland.
I suggest you read it starting from page 55. Chaudry rehmat ali's famous drama "Now or Never" is mentioned on page 81 . From pages 170 to 180 Chaudry Rehmat Ali's role in Pakistan Movement. Interesting paragraph on page 183 comparing Rehmat Ali's efforts against the entire Muslim League.
I believe what you are reffering to is Chaudry Rehmats Ali of extended version of Pakistan and he was disgruntled when Quaid -e-Azam achieved what Chaudry Rehmat Ali considered as only half of original Pakistan plan. But u still cannot take the credit away from him. And regarding the grandiose dreams abt greater Pakistan...millions of Pakistanis have that and infact the present Pakistan was an illusion and fantasy for the Muslims uptill 1940. We could have said the same thing abt them at that point in time. This book clearly proves that Chaudry Rehmat Ali ran pillar to post .. and toured countries like France , Germany , Saudi , Turkey and Iran to explain his concept of separate homeland for Muslims in India.
As far as disagreements went...there were many leaders in the Muslim league who had their own version of Pakistan and also not happy with Quaid e Azam settling for less. There are also reports of arguments between Liaquat Ali Khan and Quaid e Azam. Chaudry Rehmat Ali merely wanted a Pakistan on zonal basis such that it didnot divide families like we have in Punjab and Bangladesh then and at the same time preserved the local culture.

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Originally Posted by adraf

Although I agree with political views of genghis but when you think you are right please refrain from bad mouthing. Or atleast keep it seperate from the point you are making.

You basically have harmed the right cause more than the ppl who are against it.

Its better to have wise enemy than dumb friends.

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This is on the PPP website :
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Let it not be forgotten that the initiative in resorting to violence and cruelty was taken by the militants of the Awami League, during the month of March, 1971, following General Yahya Khan's announcement of the Ist of March regarding the postponement of the session of the National Assembly scheduled for the 3rd of March 1971. Harrowing tales of these atrocities were narrated by the large number of West Pakistanis and Biharis who were able to escape from these places and reach the safety of West Pakistan. The crimes committed by the AwamiLeague miscreants were bound to arouse anger and bitterness inthe minds of the troops.

From Khalid Hassans website:
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"Many officers, such as Lt Colonel Mansoor ul Haq Malik, refused to participate in the violence against civilians and other unethical military conduct, even though there were very strong feelings of revenge among the troops because of the atrocities committed by the Mukti Bahini. "

In Hussain Haqqanis book from military to mosque published by Carnegie Endowment for international peace :
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On page 73 he says that Mukti Bahini committed a genocide of its own . A white paper issued by Pak Army stated that in retaliation to that genocide that some army personnel went berserk and started killing.

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@bezerk05

Ashok Kapur's crisis in Pakistan contains no mention of your assertion that "it was Bhutto said "Jo bhi East Pakistan jaye ga us ki tangain toor don ga" and "Idhar hum udhar tum"."



And here is what Ch Rehmat Ali thought about Pakistan and Jinnah sb.
Rehmat Ali’s concept of Pakistan was nebulous, impractical and fantasy-ridden. It was to include the entire northwest of India, Kashmir, the Kathiawar peninsula, Kutch, several enclaves deep within UP, including Delhi and Lucknow. There were to be two independent Muslim states besides Pakistan: Bangistan comprising Bengal and Assam in the east and Osmanistan in the south. These two were to form a federation with Pakistan. The 243 principalities or Rajwaras were to be divided among caste Hindus and “others” and then herded together in a ghetto called Hanoodia. As for the Sikhs, they were to be pushed into an enclave called Sikhia. Other races and religions were to inhabit an encampment by the name of Hanadika. Every non-Muslim was to remain subservient to the master race he called “The Paks”. And yes, the subcontinent was to be renamed Dinia. He did not say how he was going to bring all that about.
Exactly six days after the Muslim League’s acceptance of the June 3 Plan in 1947, Rehmat Ali denounced the Quaid-e-Azam in venomous language. Ten weeks later, he published a pamphlet called The Greatest Betrayal condemning the Quaid and the League for having written “the most shameful and treacherous chapter” in Muslim history. He said Mr Jinnah was responsible for betraying the Millat and for having committed “the blackest treachery” by re-enacting the fall of Islam in Spain 455 years earlier. He wrote, “Mr Jinnah has acted the Judas and betrayed, bartered and dismembered the Millat, animated by ambition for recognition as the Quisling-i-Azam of Pakistan and Bangistan.” He said the Quaid was a “far worse traitor than Miss Janki in 712, Mir Jaffer in 1757 and the Muslim aristocracy in 1857.” He said Mr Jinnah had shattered the foundations of Muslim nationhood and sabotaged the future of 100 million Muslims living in the “continent of Dinia and its dependencies”. He called on all Muslims to rise against Jinnah and “repudiate and nullify his treacherous plan”.
Rehmat Ali said Mr Jinnah had dealt six “deadly blows” to the Muslims. He had destroyed Muslim unity, and paralysed and battered Bengal and Assam, turning them into dominions bearing allegiance to “the King of Britain”. Mr Jinnah had abandoned the Muslim seats of learning, Muslim forts and citadels and Delhi, Agra and Lucknow. He had left the Hindus free to plan the “division, degradation and exploitation of the Millat”. Mr Jinnah had surrendered Muslim shrines and mosques to the Hindus and turned Muslim victories of the past into defeats. He said the Quaid had perverted the verdict of history and was making “desperate attempts to whitewash the betrayal”. According to him, Mr Jinnah “is asking the Muslims to treat Marg-i-Millat as Jashn-i-Jinnah,” adding, “Little does he realise he is adding the smear of shame to the sorrow of disaster suffered by Islam.” He wrote that Mr Jinnah had not accepted Pakistan but “PASTAN, the shadow of Pakistan”. He denounced the founder of Pakistan for having “done British and Bania bidding” and “playacting” throughout to divide the Millat.
Rehmat Ali called the creation of Pakistan “the blackest and bloodiest treachery in our history”. (sounds a la Altaf Hussain) He denounced Pakistan as a “slave state” which owed allegiance to a foreign master, as did Mr Jinnah, whom he called “a loyal, glorified servant of the King of Britain who is witless, powerless and weaponless”.
It is ironic that Chaudhry Rehmat Ali chose to return to the land of the very imperialists whom he had denounced. He died in anonymity, a bitter and unhappy man.

[halka]

Thank you for sharing details about this guy (Zaid Hamid) who could be a fraud or could be otherwise.

A friend of mine told me the same story. He told me that when he was in Karachi for professional reasons a friend of his approached him to take him to a holy man of God who did nothing but zikr. My friend resisted him saying that he already is a good Muslim and does not need to go to any such person. But this friend of his insisted and so he went to see that holy man of GOD. He found the same trend of mixed prayers (men and women together) and assumption of the soul of Prophet PBUH (Naooz-o-Billah). He was quick to refrain from seeing this guy again or going to his Mahafil where he quoted he saw some famous actresses as well. This dates back to 2005.

He did not stay there long enough to quote me any names for certainity, but when he saw Zaid Zaman he warned me that he suspected him of some connection, so stay away.

I know a lot many friends of mine who have become his die hard fans. I showed them that there is more to truth than meets the eye. All I suggest humbly is to watch out for anything crazy, be strengthened and solid on your beliefs, the teachings of Quaran and our beloved prophet PBUH, and let no one ever ever jolt your faith. Keeping your eyes and ears open might not be enough, keep your hearts open as well. May Allah help us refrain ourselves from such fitnas if they exist.

[bezerk05]

Originally Posted by commoner

@bezerk05

Ashok Kapur's crisis in Pakistan contains no mention of your assertion that "it was Bhutto said "Jo bhi East Pakistan jaye ga us ki tangain toor don ga" and "Idhar hum udhar tum"."


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It was for the role of ZAB played in creation of bangladesh.
As for chaudry rehmat ali bit, the autobiography answers the first half of Khalid Hassans accusation.
Now Chaudry Rehmat Ali named the "Continent of India" on the whole as "Continent of Dinia" or a continent with different people based on their culture and religion. He used this term in his article to make his readers understand that the India as they knew it at that time was not as great, prosperous and united as the west saw it. He tries to explain that since there are different nations living in India each one should be given its due share of independance. One of the nations he suggests is the northwestern Muslim dominated state of "Pakistan". I found this link on the net but I am not sure how authentic it is :
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Here you can clearly see that he wasnt referring to Pakistan as "dinia" but to the entire subcontinent of India. I think wat is propagated on this forum is that Chaudry rehmat ali was against the creation of Pakistan which is absolutely not true.

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Originally Posted by bezerk05

It was for the role of ZAB played in creation of bangladesh.

by repeating a lie... you think people going to believe... on it?
You and wrong Brother ...
You are sick like any other Jamati...
Go and get some air...
Stop cooking stories....

[bezerk05]

Originally Posted by HumHum

by repeating a lie... you think people going to believe... on it?
You and wrong Brother ...
You are sick like any other Jamati...
Go and get some air...
Stop cooking stories....

You definitely should read it too
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Originally Posted by bezerk05

You definitely should read it too
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is this quran that every thing is true in this book

[bezerk05]

Originally Posted by HumHum

is this quran that every thing is true in this book

And everything else that u read and agree to is as sacred as quran..ofcourse u have the right to disagree but dont drag the Holy book into this.

[isheikh]

Hina! do u have anymore stuff about this guy. Poison is poison whether it is so sweet. If he is fitna, I pray to Allah to save all Ummah from his sher. May Allah guide us on right path. aameen.

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Opened in IE, but still couldnt read more than first line, any other better way to read it????
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Woah, thanks for this, i am astonished after reading this article and don't know what to say.

First it was Dr. Amir Liaqat and now Zaid Hamid. Just wow.

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Opened in IE, but still couldnt read more than first line, any other better way to read it????
Jusarat has really very stupid fonts.

Here is the graphical version.