Islamabad Tonight 9th January 2009

Host: Nadeem Malik.
Guests: Ahsan Iqbal PML N & Zahid Khan ANP

[colkatehra]

hi, Notorious, could not visit for a long time but now back and found you like always quick in posting -welldone and thankyou

[sfahad46]

yeh ANP walon ko apni line nazar ati hai,yeh "writ" kaim karna chatay hein, in say koi poochay kay is writ ka kia matlab hay.....they want all so called "jhadis" eliminated and estd. puktoonistan estate containing so called "moderates"..i have seen their terror rein in karachi famous university, saying there was no writ before 9/11 is unbelievable...saying mosad was helping afghans is rubbish...read the operation brasstacks when israel wanted to attack pakistan in connivance with india in 1986-87

[mzia8925]

I agree with the elimination of so called "Jihadis", but I don't want to establish "puktoonistan".

[TSaleem]

Elimination of all Jihadi forces is solution to the problem.It ,s propegenda of ISI against ANP.ANP does not want to establish Pukhtonistan,ANP is mederate,progressive and secular political force.Why is only ANP is on the hitlist of Alqaida and Taliban.They only consider ANP as threat to them and as a result they kill them to create leadership vaccume and to fill it then.Unfortunatly some forces(very strong) regard Alqaida +Taliban as their assest.ANP is doing the real Jihad against these coward Alqida+Taliban and all moderate,educated and progressive people in Pakistan should back ANP otherwise this on going crises will bring an end to the state of Pakistan.

[sfahad46]

bhai jihadion ko koi support nahein kar raha but the point is this:
1)this is not a local situation, other players(our negihbors) are taking adv of this (one eg. is the kind of comm equipment used by TTP and the messages themselves that our agencies cant crack [there must be "state" actors behind these "state" less actors]), moreso they also get the information about the exact location of the pak army (india has launched atleast 1 satellite for spying on us), ab afghanistan is not sitting there and watching and so is the CIA center in NWFP, kuch to hai...
2)these forces(sadly) who should have looked to uphold a dialog and political situation instead of playing in hands of extremists have their own axe to grind (look at the finger pointing by the ANP wazirs towards ISI and Fauj during talk shows on Mumbai)
3)Ab sab kuch acha nahein, the ordinary citizens can and should be empowered through police and mulllahs to deal with these elements (mullah's clearly need to come out openly against this and unite till they back off)

[TSaleem]

Let me tell u that ANP is a pro Pakistan Party,If it fails then there will be a pure nationalistic movement (It is already emerginging specifically in Swat as ordinary pashtoons think that ANP can,t give them protection from the brutalities of army+Taliban) which will ultimately result in a separate state for pashtoons and that is what the big powers working on.
Secondly It would,t stop here ,southren punjab is a strong base for these extremist forces and is serving the interest of big powers as well.
You will have to think realistically and u can,t deny the dirty role played by ISI and Army in this whole game.

Using these extremist forces as a tool of our forigen policy has got all us to the verge of disintegration.If you empower the mullahs with weapons then this massacre will be going on.We have to put our own house in order by eliminating these few fanatics with sincerity and commitment otherwise some one else is ready to do this job which will result in horrible situation.

[shasnahn]

ANP accepted Pakistan in 1970's and this "Pukhtoonistan" issue is a dead one.

FATA has been destroyed and NWFP is in ruins due to these militants, who are mostly locals and have the support of foreign powers. With the failure of police, FC, jirgas and lashkars, the only option left is to eliminate these militants through sustained military campaigns.

The rest of Pakistan sitting in punjab and Karachi can continue dreaming of "strategic depth" by using their brethren "jehadis".

[samy]

anp & mqm are same level parties.altaf hussain & asfandyar both have same provencial mentalities.they talk about paktoonkhwah but support military action in sawat & fata knowing only paktoons are getting killed & army is getting engaged in a conflict,which india,isreal & united states wants it to continue,so civil war can bring this country down & nuclear can be taken over by west without resistence .

[TSaleem]

Yes we all pashtoos do support the operations in Fata and Swat against Alqaida and Taliban but not the killing of innocent people.These extremist forses are providing the ground for americans.Do,t be biased my friend towards ANP.It s not that simple, the way u put.These extremists have their own agenda and they want to establish their own Islamic state.They do,t accept the law of the Land (pakistan).
It is very unfortunate that you people regard this crises as war between Kufer and Islam ,which is actually not.
U can,t imaigine the on going brutilities of Taliban+Alqaida in Swat.They slice the throats of the people,kill the people and then put their heads at buchershops every morning,They destroyed almost all girls schools in swat and banned the female education after15 Jan.Is this is what islam say.What we demand from the army is eliminate these elements with dedication ,sincerity and commitment and do,t kill innocent.

[sfahad46]

bhai meray khyal mein to fight extremism is not extremism, if you open guns on these it would kill 1 extremists but 10 innocent whose relatives would then join join them. The point is deal with them politically using same tactics. Bring in mullahs to explain to common people true islam, because 90% of the people dont know islam but follow the mullah.No doubt the people who cut throats cant be muslims, suicide is not anywhere advocated (infact abhorated in islam so much that the person is destined to hell).Same way difference of opinion should be tolerated.As an analogy fascism is not answer to nazism.So it needs to expose these extremists on their grounds who are compounding on love of people for islam and exploiting them.BTW these so called extremists were never in power (and never would be in 20 yrs) and look at the presentation condition of our country swindled by all educated,political, moderate leaders for their own purpose(and sadly fazlurRehman is one of them).Bhai no one wants these jahadis to continus but all people in FATA who have arms are not jihadis, these people had all kinds of weapons ever since, problem is "failure of govt." with no justice, no jobs,no development, sense of deprivation is prevalent in these areas and they have been hijacked by few extremists for their axe. No one is agianst ANP,pukhtoons or FATA walay.Most of Jihadis would come to submission if prominent mullahs(not ones like FazulurRehman but someone like Mufti Shamzai and others who died but not submitted or played in hands of extremists), i am sure they would submit and those who dont would then be exposed.may Allah help us all and give us wisdom to tolerate difference of opinion and resolve alll issues through dialog.

[shasnahn]

sfahad:

these taliban care nothing about clerics or islam. They have their own version and they use violence to enforce it. Recently in Swat there was an anti-Taliban cleric called Pir Samiullah. The Taliban first killed him and threw his body in a garbage dump. After the cleric was buried by this followers, the Taliban came at night, dug up his dead body and hung it in the town square, as a warning to others.

So it is not a matter of lack of education, jobs or anything else. Its a matter of an evil ideology that has taken hold in FATA/NWFP and which imposes itself through force, and can only be dealt with through force. The people of NWFP at least have now seen through the fraud of these extremists and want to be rid of them.