Campaign against the diabolical thread “Taliban is Right (Proof)"

[Pakka Papi]

A Request to peace loving Pakistanis
Dear Peace loving Muslims of Pakistan I request your Participation in this campaign to have this diabolical thread called “Taliban is right (proof) removed or locked, because it’s creator continuously mocks our faith, beliefs and honour by constantly posting it itself with a help of another sad idiot by creating new account IDs to keep it on top of the discussion table. Forcing people to react.

Shameless
And if that doesn’t work and this topic gets relegated to older pages. A user with a newly created account “finds” it in the older pile and brings it in our face by posting a useless comment. The guy shows no shame in bringing up such a topic on the top again in the face of continuous terrorism in Pakistan.

Abuse of Freedom of Speech
Well I am all up for freedom of speech and expression. But the way these Taliban are conducting their business these days that no living sole in Pakistan is safe from them, I find it extremely offensive, insensitive and infuriating that these Taliban supporters misquote Holy Quran and Hadith to justify the acts of barbarianism against the people of Pakistan.


What Jihad, What Islam?
These terrorists are attacking and killing Muslims on every Friday prayers and yet they claim to be the doing Jihad against the Infidels?? What kind of Jihad is that what involves killing people who are busy praying to All Mighty Allah, saying their Jumma prayers as per the Guidance of the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH???

False Ideology
Have they declared all other Muslims as Infidels who don’t agree to their sham ideology and evil and bigoted faith? Their supporters continue to curse the governments and Pakistan Army that it is doing the America’s bidding and fighting for the West. Then my question is .. by killing and beheading civilians, blowing up hotels, mosques, school and hospitals, whose war are you Taliban fighting? Its definitely not Allah’s war.

No Civilian is safe
99% of their victims have nothing to do with the government or security forces, they were ordinary peace loving people who said their prayers and worked for their livelihood but these Butchers took their right of a peaceful life.


Request to Peace loving & respecting Muslims
Now this is not a joke anymore. I urge every one who reads this thread to support this campaign to get this humiliating thread removed or at least blocked.
Please post your replies. After we have enough responses we will urge the moderators and admin to take appropritate action.

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[Pakka Papi]

Pakka_Papi bhahi sahab, there is no point in engaging yourself in useless discussions with someone whose aim is nothing else but to divert and divide. You should by now be clever enough to know that given the annonymity internet provides, its not easy to distinguish between a true Pakistani and an indian imposter.

So brotha my advice: concentrate on the message you want to convey than to engage yourself in some mudslinging match, :-).

Just my two cents.

point taken bro,
I am less concerned about the Indian jokers who are sad enough to come here and cause controveries, it is the so called Pakistanis in Pakistan and the west who think its their duty to insult our country and its defenders.


I am also keeping an eye on the people who post a comment and vote and if that login was "specifically" created to contribute their point of view or are they the usual suspects

[salmanzafar214]

you Pakistan Army hating kangroo. is that what are you doing in Sweden? wish people of Pakistan to hell who are fighting taliban?
I think the kind of work you have to do to live in Sweden (like working in a chip shop or sweeping toilets) has made you think like that.

without English as a language medium education and any respectible work is out of question for you so the depression and redicule by the locals has made you a sour looser.

rotay raho baita. Kafiru ki khidmat ker kay jo Janat kama rahay ho wo hamay nahi chahiay.

hihih maza a gaya same coment i think some one posted before and we can see wat most ofour pakistani thought abt Students abroad they think they are working for Kafiru ..

now Mr Qadri (i hope its ur fathers Name) most of the forum members i think like 80% ppl are from abroad m not talking abt pp who visit forum those who post comments and u know u validate Taliban 's point of view they thought those who work for kafirs must be killed . so our army and there are many pakistanis who living abroad so all of them must be killled bcoz they work for kafirs

woow u and talibans have same thinking but on forum u r condemning them :O i think u must have to make ur mind clear first that either are u with taliban philoshphy or not then post a comment .

salmanzafar214 added 9 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

hello Mr hate. now that you have asumed the charge of sending people to hell as well I got a question for you.

do you hate Dr Sarfaraz Naeemi Shaheed (RA) as well who supported the Military operation and opposed the Taliban? are you also wishing him in Hell?

I pity people like you. I dont hate you at all just feel sorry for you.

no one have charge every one can wish so i wished

and u know one thing in 1980's Dr Sarfraz Naemi supported tablian's

even i condemn every inocent killing and of a big Name like DR Sarfraz i think every one feels sorry and sad.
but why Dr Sarfraz Naemi supported taliban ? or do u support too those talibans ??
and Dr Sarfraz naemi was against America and same with our ARmy why they supported Talibans that time

i already said that why our army supported talibans and why they supported every type of jihad in other countries ?
either they was rite at that time or this time ..

first we created taliban then in musharaf era we took U turn ? why ??+
no one have answers but every one cries abt Taliban .
difference between u and me that i dont support any one blindly either its our GOvt . so now one can easily see whom we have to feel sory

So carry on with ur bogus thread as u want many replies so u can push moderators according to ur wishes .. so main aim is not have a debate main aim is to get many replies wat is the difference between u and that musbashar.sahat both have same mentality difference is he didnt wrote in his thread Plz Post many replies : like u wrote

Request to Peace loving & respecting Muslims
Now this is not a joke anymore. I urge every one who reads this thread to support this campaign to get this humiliating thread removed or at least blocked.
Please post your replies. After we have enough responses we will urge the moderators and admin to take appropritate action.

salmanzafar214 added 6 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

Say Pakistani Talibans pigs pigs ,
Their supporters pigs pigs
and Operation supporters pigs pigs (who destroy innocent people's houses and kill innocent people )...They should be killing talibans only.
zardari pig pig
rehman malik pig pig





I personally condemn the killing of this Aalim deen,Dr.Sarfaraz Naeemi,Brother can u plz tell me ,do u condemn the killing of Maulana Amin in hangu too???

Chad lalay in ko apnay matlab k log chahaiye apnay matlab ki awaz sunaye daiti hay in ko bus . Apnay matlab k logon k marnay par dhukh hota hay

main to tang a gaya hon in dono Nash sides say after 9/11 we become a sandwich between two extremes Liberals and Fundamentalists. and u know they both want to kill each other but hum jaisay gareb log aisay hi ragray jatay hay ..

see American not able to kill Usama bin laden, Aimen-ul.Zahawi and our amy havent killed yet Bait ullah massod , Maulana fazul lulah . but both of them claim they have killed many Terrorists and yet u find out that Americans cant go out from Kabul and we are facing Sucide attacks

as Sheikh rashed said Taliban have 200 suicide r's in their pipe line is this a joke :O how come they have so many ppl wat we did with them that they all come against us . no one is going to think abt this thing but every one is kill them more kill them more . and wats next 400 suicide r's ??



is he also indian nd have hate for army ? if not they why not he is praising musharraf like so called seculars and liberals on this forum i dont know why may be one of them can explain

[GraanG2]

Chad lalay in ko apnay matlab k log chahaiye apnay matlab ki awaz sunaye daiti hay in ko bus . Apnay matlab k logon k marnay par dhukh hota hay

main to tang a gaya hon in dono Nash sides say after 9/11 we become a sandwich between two extremes Liberals and Fundamentalists. and u know they both want to kill each other but hum jaisay gareb log aisay hi ragray jatay hay ..

see American not able to kill Usama bin laden, Aimen-ul.Zahawi and our amy havent killed yet Bait ullah massod , Maulana fazul lulah . but both of them claim they have killed many Terrorists and yet u find out that Americans cant go out from Kabul and we are facing Sucide attacks

as Sheikh rashed said Taliban have 200 suicide r's in their pipe line is this a joke :O how come they have so many ppl wat we did with them that they all come against us . no one is going to think abt this thing but every one is kill them more kill them more . and wats next 400 suicide r's ??

Aaho payan ,tusi bilkul sahi gal kiti...I have decided if they are looking for their kinda poeple then I think we should also listen to our kinda people only...They will always label us with different names...Pro Taliban and stuff...But I would rather say ,they are Pro-terrorists ,cos for me Bush ,Mush and Zordari are the biggest terrorists in the world....So from my side its both ignoring mode and mood.Cheers

[imran834]

GranG ans salmanzafar when you people are going to a suicide mission ...everybody who visit this forum knows your extremist views and now u shedding crocodile tears

[searchthebest]

I also agree with Paka Papi and admin should close and delete this thread "Taliban is right".

[khan125]

I don't want to b specific to some friends by naming them but i will ask them a very simple question from those who are saying that its just freedom of expression.

Question is then why don't you accept the same justification (freedom of expression) given by the Denamrk.

You have no right to say whatever you want under the label of freedom of expression.This freedom should have some limits.

Someone is quoting without reference to the context from your Quran O Hadyt and Defaming your Religion.And you people are saying that its freedom of expression.

Same thing is done by the dutch Parliamentarian Greet Wilders(laanati) in his movie FITNA.

So should we adopt the Freedom of Expression stance of the West like them or we should have some restriction on it.

What do you say supporters of freedom of expression.

[GraanG2]

Question is then why don't you accept the same justification (freedom of expression) given by the Denamrk.

hahahahaahaha....what double standars....When Sufi Muhammad said Democracy is Kuffar ,we were shouting and crying....Everybody was saying that everyone has the right to speak and express ,but now when this thread is abt freedom of speech ,now u deny democracy ....hahahaah....

It reminds me a verse from Quran,Mafhoom of which is ""Kya tum kuch Ayaton par iman laate ho (jo tumhare favor mein ho) ,aur kuch ko tukrate ho(jo tumhare haq mein nahi)".

By the way In denmark that was another issue...And this is only a debate.Stick to the topic.

[mirchi]

In my opinion the thread itself is not bad, thats what the poster taught that this Hadith point to Taliban. Rather the replies are more annoying. Giving names to each other. Using very abusive language against each other.

It should have been to discuss in civilized manner to bring evidence that this Hadith doesn't mean what the poster taught etc etc. But Allah ka aaman, what is not said in this thread???????????????

[khan125]

hahahahaahaha....what double standars....When Sufi Muhammad said Democracy is Kuffar ,we were shouting and crying....Everybody was saying that everyone has the right to speak and express ,but now when this thread is abt freedom of speech ,now u deny democracy ....hahahaah....

It reminds me a verse from Quran,Mafhoom of which is ""Kya tum kuch Ayaton par iman laate ho (jo tumhare favor mein ho) ,aur kuch ko tukrate ho(jo tumhare haq mein nahi)".

By the way In denmark that was another issue...And this is only a debate.Stick to the topic.

It also reminds me the same verse after reading your post.

Its a completely different debate about Democracy and Aalims from all school of thought had consensus on 1973 constitution.Our Democracy is different from theirs that was the point i was trying to prove.

I have asked something else and you are answering something else just go through my post and read it again its a very simple question

should we allow someone to use Quran O hadyt without reference to the context in the name of freedom of expression.

thats what Greet Wilders(lanati) did he quoted without reference to the context
and used it to promote his own evil thinking and now same is used to support the barbaric talibans.

I disagree with you , issue is same both are Defaming Islam both use Quran O hadyt without refrence to context to support their evil propaganda.

And for Double standards I can only laugh at that comment ulta chore kotwaal ko dantey.........................

I quote my previous post again just go through it.........................

"I don't want to b specific to some friends by naming them but i will ask them a very simple question from those who are saying that its just freedom of expression.

Question is then why don't you accept the same justification (freedom of expression) given by the Denamrk.

You have no right to say whatever you want under the label of freedom of expression.This freedom should have some limits.

Someone is quoting without reference to the context from your Quran O Hadyt and Defaming your Religion.And you people are saying that its freedom of expression.

Same thing is done by the dutch Parliamentarian Greet Wilders(laanati) in his movie FITNA.

So should we adopt the Freedom of Expression stance of the West like them or we should have some restriction on it.

What do you say supporters of freedom of expression."

[salmanzafar214]

Someone is quoting without reference to the context from your Quran O Hadyt and Defaming your Religion.And you people are saying that its freedom of expression.

waisay mujahy ek bat batao is bat say kon disagree karay ga ?? no one calls it freedom of expression wat we can do is if someone used ahadess out of contest u can prove him wrong by Quoting whole COntext its a simple way to tackle these prbs..

Reason .. our main aim is not to convince the poster who posted Hadees out of context our main aim is to save other readers to not to be convinced by posters Hadees

Ab is main prb kia hay ?

[khan125]

waisay mujahy ek bat batao is bat say kon disagree karay ga ?? no one calls it freedom of expression wat we can do is if someone used ahadess out of contest u can prove him wrong by Quoting whole COntext its a simple way to tackle these prbs..

Reason .. our main aim is not to convince the poster who posted Hadees out of context our main aim is to save other readers to not to be convinced by posters Hadees

Ab is main prb kia hay ?

At least your point of view is quite logical and I agree with it.

whats the problem:

the point was good and bad things should b treated separately and should not be equally promoted. (i.e media has some responsibilities)

Media should promote good and demote bad.Media should not be open to any kind of evil propaganda being conveyed through it without any check.

Enemy Propaganda is spread through our own media what worse can anyone expect.

[salmanzafar214]

At least your point of view is quite logical and I agree with it.

whats the problem:

the point was good and bad things should b treated separately and should not be equally promoted. (i.e media has some responsibilities)

Media should promote good and demote bad.Media should not be open to any kind of evil propaganda being conveyed through it without any check.

Enemy Propaganda is spread through our own media what worse can anyone expect.

yar Humara media to kamal hay . waisay topic was abt Forum rules that we dont have to propogate Talibans point of view where as we are just saying that allow them to say wat they want . and reply them logically and if u found that he isnt gona convince then leave him/thread ..

but calling names , removing threads or ban will not help we are here to debate its an open forum i dont know that u hve visited the thread abt Gayism or not but that also allowed by the admins and u know who was supporting that Thread is only MR Asim99 who now a days so much against talibans and most of his comments includes word Bachay baaz (it seems quite funny one who is in favor of gayism calling Taliban bachay baaz)

but no one pointed him that he is propgating Gayism so we have to ban him we tried to convince him with Hadess Quranic Ayat traditional values moral values but nothing work so we left replying and only after two days no one know that there is a thread of that type ever existed at forum.

so this is my whole point first Argue with logics, if it didnt work then ignore ..
once Nabi PBUH said

#agar Burai phelani ho to us ka charcha shoro kar do#
(may be koi lafz agay pichay howa ho ALlah mauf karay )

i think hum log bajaye k fazol behas main ulajh jayen kion na us say jan chura lain . i have seen that thread Taliban is rite i think i have posted 2,3 posts there and then left . even i know the person is wrong but why i didnt condemned bcoz may ppl are doing it already and having a fight with MR Mubashar.Sahat so why i jump in.

the message ppl try to propagate that Talibans are wrong and hadees quoted out of context i got it so why i have to join?? so i ignored but yet ppl are fighting in that thread .

now u tell me ur self how much u and others helped that thread alive ???

[GraanG2]

Khan125 ,and PaaJi ,can we start A thread by the name of PEACE and only allow the people to come up with some better arguements and cheer up...I am really tired of all this blah blah...Is it only me or u guys feel the same ??

[salmanzafar214]

Khan125 ,and PaaJi ,can we start A thread by the name of PEACE and only allow the people to come up with some better arguements and cheer up...I am really tired of all this blah blah...Is it only me or u guys feel the same ??

ji pa ji . Tusi darust kah rahay ho m also tired of this even i stoped posting coments much sometime if things starts iritating i prefer to reply otherwsie mostly i just watch programs and then leave the forum

we want peace but lagta hay hum ko adat ho gaye hay jhagray karnay ki

[GraanG2]

ji pa ji . Tusi darust kah rahay ho m also tired of this even i stoped posting coments much sometime if things starts iritating i prefer to reply otherwsie mostly i just watch programs and then leave the forum

we want peace but lagta hay hum ko adat ho gaye hay jhagray karnay ki

Thats true ...I have actually given a password to this forum now,specially after guys started using the words Bas***ds etc...Dont wanna let my family see those words being used....I spend sometime on Insaf.pk.

[khan125]

yar Humara media to kamal hay . waisay topic was abt Forum rules that we dont have to propogate Talibans point of view where as we are just saying that allow them to say wat they want . and reply them logically and if u found that he isnt gona convince then leave him/thread ..

but calling names , removing threads or ban will not help we are here to debate its an open forum i dont know that u hve visited the thread abt Gayism or not but that also allowed by the admins and u know who was supporting that Thread is only MR Asim99 who now a days so much against talibans and most of his comments includes word Bachay baaz (it seems quite funny one who is in favor of gayism calling Taliban bachay baaz)

but no one pointed him that he is propgating Gayism so we have to ban him we tried to convince him with Hadess Quranic Ayat traditional values moral values but nothing work so we left replying and only after two days no one know that there is a thread of that type ever existed at forum.

so this is my whole point first Argue with logics, if it didnt work then ignore ..
once Nabi PBUH said

#agar Burai phelani ho to us ka charcha shoro kar do#
(may be koi lafz agay pichay howa ho ALlah mauf karay )

i think hum log bajaye k fazol behas main ulajh jayen kion na us say jan chura lain . i have seen that thread Taliban is rite i think i have posted 2,3 posts there and then left . even i know the person is wrong but why i didnt condemned bcoz may ppl are doing it already and having a fight with MR Mubashar.Sahat so why i jump in.

the message ppl try to propagate that Talibans are wrong and hadees quoted out of context i got it so why i have to join?? so i ignored but yet ppl are fighting in that thread .

now u tell me ur self how much u and others helped that thread alive ???

Well again i appreciate your point of view I don't call it a useless discussion because i am getting nice arguments for my knowledge.

I didn't know about the thread you mentioned.By the way by Media i also meant
this forum.Anyways I cannot disagree with you.

[0riz1]

Mr khan125 : I already have given you detail of book about kharji fitna and hadees regarding that , for rest of people i m giving complete detail of first hadees and reference of other books with same hadees .

Reference of hadees :
Here is complete reference of first hadees and refernce of other books mentioning same hadees .

الحديث رقم 12 : أخرجه أبو داود في السنن، کتاب : السنة، باب : في : قتال الخوارج، 4 / 243، الرقم : 4765، و ابن ماجة في السنن، المقدمة، باب : في ذکر الخوارج، 1 / 60، الرقم : 169، و أحمد بن حنبل في المسند، 3 / 224، الرقم : 13362، والحاکم في المستدرک، 2 / 161، الرقم : 2649، و البيهقي في السنن الکبري، 8 / 171، و المقدسي في الأحاديث المختارة، 7 / 15، الرقم : 2391. 2392، و قال : إسناده صحيح، و أبو يعلي في المسند، 5 / 426، الرقم :
3117، و الطبراني نحوه في المعجم الکبير، 8 / 121، الرقم : 7553، و المروزي في السنة، 1 / 20، الرقم : 52.

i have under lined the names of prominent muhadas (hadees narrator) , everybody can check them.
May ALLAH save us from every fitna and take such fasadi people away from us,ameen.
(if anybody have any question regarding hadees plz dont hesitate to contact me ).

[shasnahn]

Taliban are murderer, looters, rapists and usurpers. The supporters of Taliban are morons and traitors.

[asim99]

************* taliban ************ have never been right...

but i am not in favor of censoring ideas...let us battle ideas with ideas, and let the best one win

it is funny to see some of the biggest bigots and taliban-worshippers supporting "freedom of expression" option [last/4th option] in this poll...that despite the fact that there taliban idols do not want others to have same freedom of expression

[pkmuslim]

During the Iran-Iraq war, someone asked from american govt. official which side do you want to win this war, Iran or Iraq. The american govt. official replied we want both sides to be loose. Now america want to defeat of both Pakistan army and Taliban (aik teer say do shikar). It is financing miltitancy in Pakistan and pressuring pak got. to fight these militants.

During the Iran-Iraq war era the relationship between Iran and America were worst, but america sold weapons to Iran. Not only this but Israel also sold weapons to Iran.

All Pakistanis should identifies their real enemy, i.e. america, which is behind all this violence in Pakistan. Why there was no violence in Paksitan before we joined this war with america? When there was Taliban govt. in Afghanista, why there was no violence in Pakistan?