News Night with Talat 2nd May 2011

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[Stewie Griffin]

Amazing to see he came up with the same conclusion as I did. a big victory for AlFaida
Obama got the next term! Obama 1 - General Petraeus 0

[hash_man1976]

Must say that I am disappointed in Talat reporting and knowledge of US tactics.

Case in point - US Chopper downed and burned by navy seals. Talat seems to think this is fairy tale and smoke screen.

In reality , this is standard US policy to destroy their assets once they are down. This is to make sure no information can be gleamed off the wreckage. Same was done when the chopper went down in libya and same was done in Mogadishu, Somalia.

[rizusmani]

i agree with Talat k haqeeqat waqai wo nahin jo hume batai ja rahi hai.haqeeqat hai kia ye shaid hume kabhi b pata nahin lage ga

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and what about the back up?one chopper went down and there was no back up.isn't strange?they were coming for highest value target without backup....and what about the compound?there is no sign except blood on floor.no fire no bullets.............................

[QUO.TE=hash_man1976;2696218]Must say that I am disappointed in Talat reporting and knowledge of US tactics.

Case in point - US Chopper downed and burned by navy seals. Talat seems to think this is fairy tale and smoke screen.

In reality , this is standard US policy to destroy their assets once they are down. This is to make sure no information can be gleamed off the wreckage. Same was done when the chopper went down in libya and same was done in Mogadishu, Somalia.[/QUOTE]

[aasimhameed]

Fair assessment by Talat.

[hash_man1976]

Not to mention that if it was done in COMPLETE agreement of Pakistan, this COULD NOT have been done in abbotabad, which is right next to Kakool.

ANd it was Obama's election promise to keep the war in Afghanistan. He called it a war of necessity himself. so that argument is debunked that Obama did not wanted to have a war in Afghanistan. He is elected on his promise of continuing this war.

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[/COLOR]and what about the back up?one chopper went down and there was no back up.isn't strange?they were coming for highest value target without backup....and what about the compound?there is no sign except blood on floor.no fire no bullets.............................

There were two choppers that brought in the assault team. The difference between us Pakistani's and US war mentality is quality vs quantity. When you are doing such a high value operation, you dont bring in all baand and police mobiles with sirens screaming "hoshiar.. khabardar... hum aa rahay hain"... You take your elite military team with a small number of people and do a stealth operation. Just about what happened in this case. It's an irony that such an incursion happened right next to our elite military academy. Certainly cast a doubt as to who gave all the support to bin Laden.

And the REAL backups were ready and in air on Pak/Afghan border.


[QUO.TE=hash_man1976;2696218]Must say that I am disappointed in Talat reporting and knowledge of US tactics.

Case in point - US Chopper downed and burned by navy seals. Talat seems to think this is fairy tale and smoke screen.

In reality , this is standard US policy to destroy their assets once they are down. This is to make sure no information can be gleamed off the wreckage. Same was done when the chopper went down in libya and same was done in Mogadishu, Somalia.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

[Stewie Griffin]

Not to mention that if it was done in COMPLETE agreement of Pakistan, this COULD NOT have been done in abbotabad, which is right next to Kakool.

ANd it was Obama's election promise to keep the war in Afghanistan. He called it a war of necessity himself. so that argument is debunked that Obama did not wanted to have a war in Afghanistan. He is elected on his promise of continuing this war.

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[/COLOR]and what about the back up?one chopper went down and there was no back up.isn't strange?they were coming for highest value target without backup....and what about the compound?there is no sign except blood on floor.no fire no bullets.............................

There were two choppers that brought in the assault team. The difference between us Pakistani's and US war mentality is quality vs quantity. When you are doing such a high value operation, you dont bring in all baand and police mobiles with sirens screaming "hoshiar.. khabardar... hum aa rahay hain"... You take your elite military team with a small number of people and do a stealth operation. Just about what happened in this case. It's an irony that such an incursion happened right next to our elite military academy. Certainly cast a doubt as to who gave all the support to bin Laden.

And the REAL backups were ready and in air on Pak/Afghan border.


[QUO.TE=hash_man1976;2696218]Must say that I am disappointed in Talat reporting and knowledge of US tactics.

Case in point - US Chopper downed and burned by navy seals. Talat seems to think this is fairy tale and smoke screen.

In reality , this is standard US policy to destroy their assets once they are down. This is to make sure no information can be gleamed off the wreckage. Same was done when the chopper went down in libya and same was done in Mogadishu, Somalia.

[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

1) you really need to read the book Obama's War to understand the first point
2) They would bring 2 choppers to kill Osama are you serious? how many seals can fit in a chopper? have you seen the chopper footage which was shot down? if you take a look at that you would know what Talat is talking about. You also need to listen to Obama's speech once again where he said that he was shot down with the help of Pakistan.
3) They would shoot Osama and then throw the body in the ocean? what are you kidding me? They even collect the fingers (plus tattoos ooo they look sexy don't they) of a 12 years old kid when they shoot him down. (you can find the footage on the web just posted a couple of weeks back) and in this case they would just chuck the body in the ocean so there is no mystery left behind.
What a load of crap!!!!

[suave]

The most balanced analysis of this 'drama' event!
again its hard to say anything for sure!

[rizusmani]

The most balanced analysis of this 'drama' event!
again its hard to say anything for sure!

it was not drama it was topi drama with poor script,poor direction and poor acting.............

[hash_man1976]

As a nation of conspiracy theories, sometimes it seems like we can never accept the writing on the wall..

it was not drama it was topi drama with poor script,poor direction and poor acting.............

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Since my detailed reply was lost to browser hiccups, I'll try to recapture the details of my response:

1) The chopper is probably MH-6 Little Bird, capable of carrying 6 passengers, this is THE helicopter of choice for covert operations due to its low profile as well as low noise. For a tactical operation like this you need a very small footprint of few capable souls. Again, quality, not quantity. 12 men (pure speculation based on 6x2, assuming there were 2 MH06 choppers) are more than enough to do a stealth operation especially in closed quarter firefights. With more people you loose risk to loosing control in this kind of operation.

2) I listened to Obama speech LIVE last evening (eastern time). His words seemed a LOT of like consolation after the fact. No "Thanks to Pakistan" as some people are saying in his words. He mentioned about the "intelligence sharing led to finding OBL and this compound", but nothing about the "help of Pakistan in shooting him down". His call to Zardari was after the fact.

3) Burial at sea. Thats a tricky one, but understandable. For one, they dont want "the burial site" to become a shrine and recruitment poster for Al-Qaida. Second, apparently they are pictures, but not released to the media. The pcitures of Saddam and his sons acted as a ligthening rod for Iraqi resistence and the US dont want a repeat of those. How ironic it is that Al-Qaeda cannot even use OBL's pictures of "martyrdom" to recruit new people right now when the emotions are at an all time high. My thinking is that these pictures will surface when things start to cool down to minimize the impact.


Now neither me or anyone else (including Talat) knows what the truth is. What I am fully convinced is that if Pakistan was involved at all, this would NOT have happened in Abbotabda, right next to Kakul academy, in a military town. The implications of this are HUGE. Our Pakistani officials have no idea of the sh*tstorm that is coming their way by having the most wanted fugitive to be "living" in a military town, half a mile from Kakul academy.

In the words of US Senator Carl Levin" "I think the Pakistani army and intelligence have a lot of questions to answer, ...."

If Pakistan was involved, like Talat says they were, this would not have happened where it happened..



[/QUOTE]

1) you really need to read the book Obama's War to understand the first point
2) They would bring 2 choppers to kill Osama are you serious? how many seals can fit in a chopper? have you seen the chopper footage which was shot down? if you take a look at that you would know what Talat is talking about. You also need to listen to Obama's speech once again where he said that he was shot down with the help of Pakistan.
3) They would shoot Osama and then throw the body in the ocean? what are you kidding me? They even collect the fingers (plus tattoos ooo they look sexy don't they) of a 12 years old kid when they shoot him down. (you can find the footage on the web just posted a couple of weeks back) and in this case they would just chuck the body in the ocean so there is no mystery left behind.
What a load of crap!!!![/QUOTE]

[hash_man1976]

LMAO...

This is priceless dude...

HAN BHAI AMREIKAN OPERATION NAKAM HOGAYA THA ,, OSAMA NE SAB KO MAR BHAGAYA .. AOR ABB isi KE AIRCONDITIOND ROOM ME INDIAN FILM " MY NAME IS KHAN " DEKH RAHA HE , KAL US KI DUSWEIN SHADI HONE WALI HEE ... KHUSH ???

[khanaafaq]

i understand from this prog that Osama or Osama's body just handed over to americal.

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[del001]

Would Mr. Hussain care to analyze the fact that what the hell was he doing in Pakistan in a Mansion built in 2005 costing close to 1 Million Dollars. He is tearing everything else apart. Except this little detail.

[Stewie Griffin]

As a nation of conspiracy theories, sometimes it seems like we can never accept the writing on the wall..



---------- Post added at 01:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:34 AM ----------

Since my detailed reply was lost to browser hiccups, I'll try to recapture the details of my response:

1) The chopper is probably MH-6 Little Bird, capable of carrying 6 passengers, this is THE helicopter of choice for covert operations due to its low profile as well as low noise. For a tactical operation like this you need a very small footprint of few capable souls. Again, quality, not quantity. 12 men (pure speculation based on 6x2, assuming there were 2 MH06 choppers) are more than enough to do a stealth operation especially in closed quarter firefights. With more people you loose risk to loosing control in this kind of operation.

2) I listened to Obama speech LIVE last evening (eastern time). His words seemed a LOT of like consolation after the fact. No "Thanks to Pakistan" as some people are saying in his words. He mentioned about the "intelligence sharing led to finding OBL and this compound", but nothing about the "help of Pakistan in shooting him down". His call to Zardari was after the fact.

3) Burial at sea. Thats a tricky one, but understandable. For one, they dont want "the burial site" to become a shrine and recruitment poster for Al-Qaida. Second, apparently they are pictures, but not released to the media. The pcitures of Saddam and his sons acted as a ligthening rod for Iraqi resistence and the US dont want a repeat of those. How ironic it is that Al-Qaeda cannot even use OBL's pictures of "martyrdom" to recruit new people right now when the emotions are at an all time high. My thinking is that these pictures will surface when things start to cool down to minimize the impact.


Now neither me or anyone else (including Talat) knows what the truth is. What I am fully convinced is that if Pakistan was involved at all, this would NOT have happened in Abbotabda, right next to Kakul academy, in a military town. The implications of this are HUGE. Our Pakistani officials have no idea of the sh*tstorm that is coming their way by having the most wanted fugitive to be "living" in a military town, half a mile from Kakul academy.

In the words of US Senator Carl Levin" "I think the Pakistani army and intelligence have a lot of questions to answer, ...."

If Pakistan was involved, like Talat says they were, this would not have happened where it happened..

1) you really need to read the book Obama's War to understand the first point
2) They would bring 2 choppers to kill Osama are you serious? how many seals can fit in a chopper? have you seen the chopper footage which was shot down? if you take a look at that you would know what Talat is talking about. You also need to listen to Obama's speech once again where he said that he was shot down with the help of Pakistan.
3) They would shoot Osama and then throw the body in the ocean? what are you kidding me? They even collect the fingers (plus tattoos ooo they look sexy don't they) of a 12 years old kid when they shoot him down. (you can find the footage on the web just posted a couple of weeks back) and in this case they would just chuck the body in the ocean so there is no mystery left behind.
What a load of crap!!!![/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

1) So they brought 2 choppers with 12 people one was shot down rest of 6 had to go back to Kndhar on feet (that's what they are claiming they came from) and one of the chopper has enough equipment to destroy the other chopper once it was shot down (I apologize technical problem that's always the case, isnt it) may be a paper shredder or something or to destroy the engine and everything. 1.1) High value target and small footprint coz that's what they always do: remember Tora Bora I think they sent 12 seals over there too didnt they?

2) He clearly said with the help of 'intelligence sharing'. What a prick for not even thanking Pak Army/ISI for the intelligence sharing which led to the biggest operation in the US history.

3) of course it's a tricky one lol, I almost feel sorry for you guys who are scared of shrines now, if you are so scared don't bother fighting a war go back home take some knitting/ballet classes. What a pathetic excuse? You don't have to hand over the body to terrorists in first place you can take it back home and may be hang it on time square or something for a week to show your mighty power.

Now at this the point i feel you are in this argument for irritation only so I aint gonna waste me time here ta ta

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Would Mr. Hussain care to analyze the fact that what the hell was he doing in Pakistan in a Mansion built in 2005 costing close to 1 Million Dollars. He is tearing everything else apart. Except this little detail.

did you even see the footage of that compound? million $ lol

[hash_man1976]

I happy to debate logic and reason, but since you are running out of logical excuses and restoring to nonsense thinking (hanging the body on times square, so that people like you complain how inhumane US attitude is), this is last one from my side.

1) All it takes is one hand grenade to destroy a vehicle, or two at the max. Thanks for displaying such great military knowledge. Since the operation was a success, there could've been a pickup chopper sent. After all the border is not far away from Abbotabad

2) Tora Bora worked out so well, right? (BTW It was sarcasm incase your limited intelligence missed it). There's a difference between a surgical strike and an all out assault. Different scenario's require different type of operational strategy.

Flimsy intelligence on a big mountainous area == All out Assault == Tora Bora
Directed pin point intelligence on a fixed sturucture == Covert surgical strike == Abbotabad "incident"

3) Dont care whether it was shot down or mechancal failure, that it not the topic of discussion and in case you think it was shot down, then it make the argument mode valid that infact there was a "firefight". Mr. Hussain btw mocked the concept of a firefight.

4) I am not gonna comment on your babbling about the shrines and knitting cause offcouse you dont have a logical argument. Would you have been happier if OBL's body was actually displayed out as a mockery? Recall your comment about the chopping of fingers.


No one including you or Talat want to even discuss the geographical significance of OBL's place of refuge. Would love to see Talat's theories about how he was living under the noses of Pakistan military.

1) you really need to read the book Obama's War to understand the first point
2) They would bring 2 choppers to kill Osama are you serious? how many seals can fit in a chopper? have you seen the chopper footage which was shot down? if you take a look at that you would know what Talat is talking about. You also need to listen to Obama's speech once again where he said that he was shot down with the help of Pakistan.
3) They would shoot Osama and then throw the body in the ocean? what are you kidding me? They even collect the fingers (plus tattoos ooo they look sexy don't they) of a 12 years old kid when they shoot him down. (you can find the footage on the web just posted a couple of weeks back) and in this case they would just chuck the body in the ocean so there is no mystery left behind.
What a load of crap!!!!

[/QUOTE]

1) So they brought 2 choppers with 12 people one was shot down rest of 6 had to go back to Kndhar on feet (that's what they are claiming they came from) and one of the chopper has enough equipment to destroy the other chopper once it was shot down (I apologize technical problem that's always the case, isnt it) may be a paper shredder or something or to destroy the engine and everything. 1.1) High value target and small footprint coz that's what they always do: remember Tora Bora I think they sent 12 seals over there too didnt they?

2) He clearly said with the help of 'intelligence sharing'. What a prick for not even thanking Pak Army/ISI for the intelligence sharing which led to the biggest operation in the US history.

3) of course it's a tricky one lol, I almost feel sorry for you guys who are scared of shrines now, if you are so scared don't bother fighting a war go back home take some knitting/ballet classes. What a pathetic excuse? You don't have to hand over the body to terrorists in first place you can take it back home and may be hang it on time square or something for a week to show your mighty power.

Now at this the point i feel you are in this argument for irritation only so I aint gonna waste me time here ta ta[/QUOTE]

[Stewie Griffin]

I happy to debate logic and reason, but since you are running out of logical excuses and restoring to nonsense thinking (hanging the body on times square, so that people like you complain how inhumane US attitude is), this is last one from my side.

1) All it takes is one hand grenade to destroy a vehicle, or two at the max. Thanks for displaying such great military knowledge. Since the operation was a success, there could've been a pickup chopper sent. After all the border is not far away from Abbotabad

2) Tora Bora worked out so well, right? (BTW It was sarcasm incase your limited intelligence missed it). There's a difference between a surgical strike and an all out assault. Different scenario's require different type of operational strategy.

Flimsy intelligence on a big mountainous area == All out Assault == Tora Bora
Directed pin point intelligence on a fixed sturucture == Covert surgical strike == Abbotabad "incident"

3) Dont care whether it was shot down or mechancal failure, that it not the topic of discussion and in case you think it was shot down, then it make the argument mode valid that infact there was a "firefight". Mr. Hussain btw mocked the concept of a firefight.

4) I am not gonna comment on your babbling about the shrines and knitting cause offcouse you dont have a logical argument. Would you have been happier if OBL's body was actually displayed out as a mockery? Recall your comment about the chopping of fingers.


No one including you or Talat want to even discuss the geographical significance of OBL's place of refuge. Would love to see Talat's theories about how he was living under the noses of Pakistan military.

1) So they brought 2 choppers with 12 people one was shot down rest of 6 had to go back to Kndhar on feet (that's what they are claiming they came from) and one of the chopper has enough equipment to destroy the other chopper once it was shot down (I apologize technical problem that's always the case, isnt it) may be a paper shredder or something or to destroy the engine and everything. 1.1) High value target and small footprint coz that's what they always do: remember Tora Bora I think they sent 12 seals over there too didnt they?

2) He clearly said with the help of 'intelligence sharing'. What a prick for not even thanking Pak Army/ISI for the intelligence sharing which led to the biggest operation in the US history.

3) of course it's a tricky one lol, I almost feel sorry for you guys who are scared of shrines now, if you are so scared don't bother fighting a war go back home take some knitting/ballet classes. What a pathetic excuse? You don't have to hand over the body to terrorists in first place you can take it back home and may be hang it on time square or something for a week to show your mighty power.

Now at this the point i feel you are in this argument for irritation only so I aint gonna waste me time here ta ta[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]



You happy I no happy let's no talky just walky walky coz you irritaty no sense maky

[rizusmani]

mera point of view ye hai k jaha bullets fire ho fught ho waha kuch to neshan hone chahiye.aur hum sab ye dekh chuke hai jub lal masjid per attack hua tha.waha k halaat yaad hi hoon gai aap ko agar nahin to youtube mai kafi clips hai dekh lo.jaha tak baat hai osama b mera khial hai k us ko pahle hi mara ja chuka hai aur ye sab drama kia gia hai.aik to pakistan per pressure k liye aur dosra american public ko satisfy karne k liye.aur is news k baad america mai jo reaction hua hai us se is baat ki tasdeeq hoti hai

HAN BHAI AMREIKAN OPERATION NAKAM HOGAYA THA ,, OSAMA NE SAB KO MAR BHAGAYA .. AOR ABB isi KE AIRCONDITIOND ROOM ME INDIAN FILM " MY NAME IS KHAN " DEKH RAHA HE , KAL US KI DUSWEIN SHADI HONE WALI HEE ... KHUSH ???

[Khosa]

I agree with TALAT that Pakistan at least have give some sort of help to American in this operation.

No 1 help: Sweep/Clean the floors after
No 2 help: Provided Kafan for Osma Bin La deen


Stupid Talat, He is coward, he is not able to accept the facts:

American came, completed operation and left.
Forces were watching Radar only , haa haa.
Sometimes, they can use Radar screen as a TV too. (They might be watching Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahoo thee)

[Icekool]

Four helicopters were used in the operation and 24 US navy seals took part.