[Other] ~~**~~ urdu shayr'y ka ta'aruf ~~**~~

[Gul-e-Nayaab]

assalamualikum shagirdoon! ..
umeed hy aap sub theek hongy , or class k liye kafi bychain bhe ..
to janaab yeh lejey aap ki class ka schedule hazir hy ..is k mutabiq parhaae ki jaay ge ...

Friday: 11/26/10: Introduction and List of topic discussed will be presented. Course will be divided in two core i.e. Basic and Advanced
Tuesday: 11/30/10: discussion on forms of urdu poetry, Naz’m, ghazal, qatta, etc
Tuesday:12/7/10: Understanding a ghazal, mutlah, maqta, qaafyah, radeef,
Tuesday:12/14/10: Understanding the waz’n of a misra and a sher of a ghazal in a whole
Tuesday:12/21/10: Continution of understanding waz’n of a sher and introduction to understanding beh’r.
Tuesday: 12/28/10: Conclusion of Basic Core of Understanding poetry

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chalo jaldi sy parh loo ab to sub ko sukoon mil gaya hoo ga ...
is thread k jo students hain jin hoon ny rigister karaya hy wo hian ..

1;GOHAR..
2;nabbas
3;sohny02
4;~firasha~(muhaddisa ch)
5;bilaal ahmad
6;heaven crown
7;just.talha
8;Arzu-e-Jana'n
9;_Khan_
10;Tifl e Maktab(sb)
11;roshnee
12;majidshah(sb)
13;amna
14;~Aadi~
15;*Beautiful_Stranger*
16;fantasy magic
17;zafarwarsi(sb)
18;tehseen84
19;Kamraanaslam
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jub class shoro hoge to yaheen par shoro karengy ..abhe sirf schedule bataya gaya hy ..apni apni kamar kas lejey sub k sub ....

[Tifl e Maktab]

Ustaad e mohtaram janab Farrukh ji se dakhl dar ma'aqoolaat ki ma'azrat k sath ehbab se kuch arz karna chahooN ga...Main ne jo kuch Farrukh bhai se seekha aur phr us k baad Sarwar saahab se seekha wo aap tamam dostoN ki nazr kar raha hoN k ye wo pehla sabaq hai jo maiN ne Farrukh ji se seekha aur aaj bhi yaad hai...

Hamari zubaan urdu ka her lafz haroof ka murakkab yaa set hai....jaisay mera naam "Asad" urdu maiN is ko alif+seen+daal ko joR kar likhtay haiN yaani aik 3 haroof k murakkab ya set ko lafz "asad" kaha jata hai....ab ye lafz hijjay k lehaaz se 3 haroof per mabni hai laikin jab hum is ko paRhtay ya pukartay haiN to isko 2 hissoN maiN taqseem ya divide kar detayhaiN awaaz kuch is tarha nikalti hai "A......SD" aisay hi kuch alfaz hotay haiN jin maiN kuch haroof ki adaaigi hoti hai aur kuch ki nahiN hoti.....

jaisay "Farrukh" urdu maiN Fa+r+KH yaani 3 haroof likhay jaatay haiN laikin jab aap pukartay haiN to awaaz 4 haroof ki aati hai Fr Rkh....yaani harf "ray" ko 2 martaba paRha ja raha hai laikin likha sirf 1 hi martaba ja raha hai......aisay hi, lafz hai "ambiya" yaani Prophets.....is ki hijjay hai Alif+noon+bay+ye+alif agr hijjay k lehaaz se dekhaiN to is ka talaffuz ya Pronunciation hona chahiya "an bi ya" laikin hum isko paRhtay haiN "Am bi ya" is liye k noon ki awaaz dab rahi hai aur be ki awaaz ko us per fouqiyaat ya prefrence hasil ho rahi hai.....

ab ye tamam misalaiiN dene ka maqsad kya tha......ji maqsad ye tha k urdu shairy maiN sirf unhi haroof ko taqtii maiN liya jaata hai jin ki awaaz sunaii de rahi ho......jaisay کہاں، جہاں ، یہاں، وہاں in tamam alfaaz k aakhir maiN noon ghunaaN hai.....laikin awaaz sirf alif ki aati hai yaani "K ha" .... "J ha" ....y ha aur w ha......is liye taqtee k waqt hum noon ghunnaaN ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN.....

Urdu shairy chooN k Arabi aur Farsi adaab se makhooz hai aur arabi aur farsi dono zubanooN maiN "do chashmi hay" ka wajood nahiN hai is liye urdu shairy maiN bhi hum is ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN jaisay lafz کھانا ka wazn sir "k na" liya jaye ga...

Farrukh bhai ne apnay lecture maiN kuch haroof ki aqsaam ka bhi zikr kiya hai us ki bhi thoRi si wazahat kardoN.....mere naqis khayal k mutabiq haroof sirf 2 qism k hotay haiN.....aik harf e Sakin......aur dosra harf e mutahharik....



sakin harooF kya hotay haiN mujhe yaqeen hai k aap sab jantay hongay, laikin phr bhi misaal deta hoN jaisay lafz hai Naqsh.....ab is maiN Sheen Sakin hai, Hai na ? aisay jaam maiN meem sakin hai.........raat maiN tey sakin hai....shams maiN seen saakin hai....theek ?

acha ab agr naqsh maiN sheen sakin hai to us se pehlay k haroof kya huway ?????? yaqeenan ye haroof mutahariik hi huway na.....laikin ye mutaharrik kyuN aur kaisay huway ??? dekhaiN lafz naqsh main 3 haroof haiN, Noon+Qaaf+Sheen.....is ki adaaigi hoti hai NQ-Sh...yaani noon aur qaaf ko mila kar paRha jata hai aur sheen ko alag paRha jata hai.....is hi tarha jo haroof aisay hotay haiN jin ko Singular ya alehda nahiN paRha ja sakta aur un haroof ko mila kar paRhna zarori hota hai yaa ye k unki adaigi us k beghair mumikin nahiN aisay haroof ko mutaharrik kehtay haiN...

شا...م را...ت، نا....م ، فل.....م، گو.....ل ، ور.....ق چر....خ

uper diya gaye alfaz maiN se maiN ne mutaharrik aur sakin haroof k darmiyaan faaslaa qaym kar k wazahat karnay ki koshish ki hai.....

ab agr yahaN tak dostoN ki samjh maiN aya ho to mujhe bata daiiN ta k maiN agay bhi kuch koshish karooN aur agr ye bhi sir k ooper se guzr gaya hai, to phr behtr hai k aap log Farrukh ji se hi seekh lijye...

Bohat shukriya...

[Nabbas]

Ustaad e mohtaram janab Farrukh ji se dakhl dar ma'aqoolaat ki ma'azrat k sath ehbab se kuch arz karna chahooN ga...Main ne jo kuch Farrukh bhai se seekha aur phr us k baad Sarwar saahab se seekha wo aap tamam dostoN ki nazr kar raha hoN k ye wo pehla sabaq hai jo maiN ne Farrukh ji se seekha aur aaj bhi yaad hai...

Hamari zubaan urdu ka her lafz haroof ka murakkab yaa set hai....jaisay mera naam "Asad" urdu maiN is ko alif+seen+daal ko joR kar likhtay haiN yaani aik 3 haroof k murakkab ya set ko lafz "asad" kaha jata hai....ab ye lafz hijjay k lehaaz se 3 haroof per mabni hai laikin jab hum is ko paRhtay ya pukartay haiN to isko 2 hissoN maiN taqseem ya divide kar detayhaiN awaaz kuch is tarha nikalti hai "A......SD" aisay hi kuch alfaz hotay haiN jin maiN kuch haroof ki adaaigi hoti hai aur kuch ki nahiN hoti.....

jaisay "Farrukh" urdu maiN Fa+r+KH yaani 3 haroof likhay jaatay haiN laikin jab aap pukartay haiN to awaaz 4 haroof ki aati hai Fr Rkh....yaani harf "ray" ko 2 martaba paRha ja raha hai laikin likha sirf 1 hi martaba ja raha hai......aisay hi, lafz hai "ambiya" yaani Prophets.....is ki hijjay hai Alif+noon+bay+ye+alif agr hijjay k lehaaz se dekhaiN to is ka talaffuz ya Pronunciation hona chahiya "an bi ya" laikin hum isko paRhtay haiN "Am bi ya" is liye k noon ki awaaz dab rahi hai aur be ki awaaz ko us per fouqiyaat ya prefrence hasil ho rahi hai.....

ab ye tamam misalaiiN dene ka maqsad kya tha......ji maqsad ye tha k urdu shairy maiN sirf unhi haroof ko taqtii maiN liya jaata hai jin ki awaaz sunaii de rahi ho......jaisay کہاں، جہاں ، یہاں، وہاں in tamam alfaaz k aakhir maiN noon ghunaaN hai.....laikin awaaz sirf alif ki aati hai yaani "K ha" .... "J ha" ....y ha aur w ha......is liye taqtee k waqt hum noon ghunnaaN ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN.....

Urdu shairy chooN k Arabi aur Farsi adaab se makhooz hai aur arabi aur farsi dono zubanooN maiN "do chashmi hay" ka wajood nahiN hai is liye urdu shairy maiN bhi hum is ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN jaisay lafz کھانا ka wazn sir "k na" liya jaye ga...

Farrukh bhai ne apnay lecture maiN kuch haroof ki aqsaam ka bhi zikr kiya hai us ki bhi thoRi si wazahat kardoN.....mere naqis khayal k mutabiq haroof sirf 2 qism k hotay haiN.....aik harf e Sakin......aur dosra harf e mutahharik....

sakin harooF kya hotay haiN mujhe yaqeen hai k aap sab jantay hongay, laikin phr bhi misaal deta hoN jaisay lafz hai Naqsh.....ab is maiN Sheen Sakin hai, Hai na ? aisay jaam maiN meem sakin hai.........raat maiN tey sakin hai....shams maiN seen saakin hai....theek ?

acha ab agr naqsh maiN sheen sakin hai to us se pehlay k haroof kya huway ?????? yaqeenan ye haroof mutahariik hi huway na.....laikin ye mutaharrik kyuN aur kaisay huway ??? dekhaiN lafz naqsh main 3 haroof haiN, Noon+Qaaf+Sheen.....is ki adaaigi hoti hai NQ-Sh...yaani noon aur qaaf ko mila kar paRha jata hai aur sheen ko alag paRha jata hai.....is hi tarha jo haroof aisay hotay haiN jin ko Singular ya alehda nahiN paRha ja sakta aur un haroof ko mila kar paRhna zarori hota hai yaa ye k unki adaigi us k beghair mumikin nahiN aisay haroof ko mutaharrik kehtay haiN...

شا...م را...ت، نا....م ، فل.....م، گو.....ل ، ور.....ق چر....خ

uper diya gaye alfaz maiN se maiN ne mutaharrik aur sakin haroof k darmiyaan faaslaa qaym kar k wazahat karnay ki koshish ki hai.....

ab agr yahaN tak dostoN ki samjh maiN aya ho to mujhe bata daiiN ta k maiN agay bhi kuch koshish karooN aur agr ye bhi sir k ooper se guzr gaya hai, to phr behtr hai k aap log Farrukh ji se hi seekh lijye...

Bohat shukriya...

Asad Bhai waqai asan zuban main app ney explain kia hai , Sub smhaj main aa giya hai!!!!!!!!!!! Ab zara aik mushkil asan ker dain is word ki taq taqteeh kia ho gi.

Lfz hai "Iqtadar" merey hisab sey IQ-t-Dar = 2 -1-2 honi chahiyee kia yeh durust hai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meri aik istada hai key app aik thread laga dijyee jis main roz chund alfaz diyee jaain aur hum jesey bigners un ki taqteeh karain app be-sjhak aik aik ko chek na karain per jub waqt miley tu usi thread main sahih taqteeh post ker dain is sey hamari kafi islah ho sakti hai!!!!!!! Umeed hai app is istada ko sharf-e-qaboliyat bakhshain gey.

[roshnee]

adab arz hay

chalo haiN say to baraf tutti aur akhir yeh silsila dobara shuru ho hee gaya baqi inshallah asad sahib apsay seekhtya raghaiN gay aur apka dimagh bhi khatay rahaiN gay tiyar rahaye
aur haaN apko khush amdeed kehtay haiN teacher umeed hay hum achhay students sabit hooN gay aur ap ek achhay ustaad

aaj ka lecture bohut achha laga aur samjh bhi agya

roshnee

[farrukhjii]

Thanks Asad,
bohut acha kiya yeah silsila aagay berha ker, aur tumhary berhaii keh tum mujh say talib-e-ilm ko bhi itni izzat detay ho..
keep up the good work boss, and beware I'll be checking periodically kay mustaqbill kay shoura ka achaar tu nahi bana diya tum nay..
khush raho..ameen

[Tifl e Maktab]

Asad Bhai waqai asan zuban main app ney explain kia hai , Sub smhaj main aa giya hai!!!!!!!!!!! Ab zara aik mushkil asan ker dain is word ki taq taqteeh kia ho gi.

Lfz hai "Iqtadar" merey hisab sey IQ-t-Dar = 2 -1-2 honi chahiyee kia yeh durust hai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meri aik istada hai key app aik thread laga dijyee jis main roz chund alfaz diyee jaain aur hum jesey bigners un ki taqteeh karain app be-sjhak aik aik ko chek na karain per jub waqt miley tu usi thread main sahih taqteeh post ker dain is sey hamari kafi islah ho sakti hai!!!!!!! Umeed hai app is istada ko sharf-e-qaboliyat bakhshain gey.

Naveed bhai,

Bohat shukriya k aap ne meri is koshish ko saraha......Main apni janib se pori koshish karooN ga k jo kuch mere pass hai main aap dostoN tak pohncha sakooN, laikin is k liye meri shart yehi hai k agr mujhe aap dostoN ka interest nazar aaya to maiN ye kaam karooN ga warna zaberdasti kisi per apni qaabiliyaat thopnay aur apna waqt barbaad karnay ka mujhe koi shouq nahiN.

is liye agr members interested haiN mazeed seekhnay aur jannay k liye to wo yahaN aaiN aur apnay shouq ka izhaar karaiiN...wiasay ye kaam Secton Mods bhi kar saktay haiN agr chahtay haiN to.

Lafz iq t da r ki aap ne bilkul durust taqtee ki hai aur jahaN tak aap ki tajveez ka ta'aluq hai to mere khayal se ye kaam bhi Mods ko hi sonp diya jaye k wo aisa aik thread banaiiN haaN us thread ko zinda rakhna hamari zimmedari hai so wo hum pori karnay ki koshish kariiN ge zaroor.

Wa Salam

Tifl e Maktab

---------- Post added at 12:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:43 AM ----------

adab arz hay

chalo haiN say to baraf tutti aur akhir yeh silsila dobara shuru ho hee gaya baqi inshallah asad sahib apsay seekhtya raghaiN gay aur apka dimagh bhi khatay rahaiN gay tiyar rahaye
aur haaN apko khush amdeed kehtay haiN teacher umeed hay hum achhay students sabit hooN gay aur ap ek achhay ustaad

aaj ka lecture bohut achha laga aur samjh bhi agya

roshnee

roshnee ji, "breaking ice" ko bohat achi tarha istemaal kiya hai aap ne...bohat acha laga.....hosla afzaii ka mamnoon hoN aur koshish jaari rakhooN ga aap ka mushtaaq hona zarori hai...

bohat shukriya..

---------- Post added at 12:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:45 AM ----------

Thanks Asad,
bohut acha kiya yeah silsila aagay berha ker, aur tumhary berhaii keh tum mujh say talib-e-ilm ko bhi itni izzat detay ho..
keep up the good work boss, and beware I'll be checking periodically kay mustaqbill kay shoura ka achaar tu nahi bana diya tum nay..
khush raho..ameen

Bohat shukriya Ustad e mohtaram k aap ne apnay shagird ki peeth thap thapa kar sairooN khoon baRha diya hai.....laikin maiN muntazir rahoN ga k members apnay shouq ka izhar kariiN to baat agay baRhay gi..

bohat shukriya...

[Gul-e-Nayaab]

Ustaad e mohtaram janab Farrukh ji se dakhl dar ma'aqoolaat ki ma'azrat k sath ehbab se kuch arz karna chahooN ga...Main ne jo kuch Farrukh bhai se seekha aur phr us k baad Sarwar saahab se seekha wo aap tamam dostoN ki nazr kar raha hoN k ye wo pehla sabaq hai jo maiN ne Farrukh ji se seekha aur aaj bhi yaad hai...

Hamari zubaan urdu ka her lafz haroof ka murakkab yaa set hai....jaisay mera naam "Asad" urdu maiN is ko alif+seen+daal ko joR kar likhtay haiN yaani aik 3 haroof k murakkab ya set ko lafz "asad" kaha jata hai....ab ye lafz hijjay k lehaaz se 3 haroof per mabni hai laikin jab hum is ko paRhtay ya pukartay haiN to isko 2 hissoN maiN taqseem ya divide kar detayhaiN awaaz kuch is tarha nikalti hai "A......SD" aisay hi kuch alfaz hotay haiN jin maiN kuch haroof ki adaaigi hoti hai aur kuch ki nahiN hoti.....

jaisay "Farrukh" urdu maiN Fa+r+KH yaani 3 haroof likhay jaatay haiN laikin jab aap pukartay haiN to awaaz 4 haroof ki aati hai Fr Rkh....yaani harf "ray" ko 2 martaba paRha ja raha hai laikin likha sirf 1 hi martaba ja raha hai......aisay hi, lafz hai "ambiya" yaani Prophets.....is ki hijjay hai Alif+noon+bay+ye+alif agr hijjay k lehaaz se dekhaiN to is ka talaffuz ya Pronunciation hona chahiya "an bi ya" laikin hum isko paRhtay haiN "Am bi ya" is liye k noon ki awaaz dab rahi hai aur be ki awaaz ko us per fouqiyaat ya prefrence hasil ho rahi hai.....

ab ye tamam misalaiiN dene ka maqsad kya tha......ji maqsad ye tha k urdu shairy maiN sirf unhi haroof ko taqtii maiN liya jaata hai jin ki awaaz sunaii de rahi ho......jaisay کہاں، جہاں ، یہاں، وہاں in tamam alfaaz k aakhir maiN noon ghunaaN hai.....laikin awaaz sirf alif ki aati hai yaani "K ha" .... "J ha" ....y ha aur w ha......is liye taqtee k waqt hum noon ghunnaaN ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN.....

Urdu shairy chooN k Arabi aur Farsi adaab se makhooz hai aur arabi aur farsi dono zubanooN maiN "do chashmi hay" ka wajood nahiN hai is liye urdu shairy maiN bhi hum is ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN jaisay lafz کھانا ka wazn sir "k na" liya jaye ga...

Farrukh bhai ne apnay lecture maiN kuch haroof ki aqsaam ka bhi zikr kiya hai us ki bhi thoRi si wazahat kardoN.....mere naqis khayal k mutabiq haroof sirf 2 qism k hotay haiN.....aik harf e Sakin......aur dosra harf e mutahharik....

sakin harooF kya hotay haiN mujhe yaqeen hai k aap sab jantay hongay, laikin phr bhi misaal deta hoN jaisay lafz hai Naqsh.....ab is maiN Sheen Sakin hai, Hai na ? aisay jaam maiN meem sakin hai.........raat maiN tey sakin hai....shams maiN seen saakin hai....theek ?

acha ab agr naqsh maiN sheen sakin hai to us se pehlay k haroof kya huway ?????? yaqeenan ye haroof mutahariik hi huway na.....laikin ye mutaharrik kyuN aur kaisay huway ??? dekhaiN lafz naqsh main 3 haroof haiN, Noon+Qaaf+Sheen.....is ki adaaigi hoti hai NQ-Sh...yaani noon aur qaaf ko mila kar paRha jata hai aur sheen ko alag paRha jata hai.....is hi tarha jo haroof aisay hotay haiN jin ko Singular ya alehda nahiN paRha ja sakta aur un haroof ko mila kar paRhna zarori hota hai yaa ye k unki adaigi us k beghair mumikin nahiN aisay haroof ko mutaharrik kehtay haiN...

شا...م را...ت، نا....م ، فل.....م، گو.....ل ، ور.....ق چر....خ

uper diya gaye alfaz maiN se maiN ne mutaharrik aur sakin haroof k darmiyaan faaslaa qaym kar k wazahat karnay ki koshish ki hai.....

ab agr yahaN tak dostoN ki samjh maiN aya ho to mujhe bata daiiN ta k maiN agay bhi kuch koshish karooN aur agr ye bhi sir k ooper se guzr gaya hai, to phr behtr hai k aap log Farrukh ji se hi seekh lijye...

Bohat shukriya...

wassalam
waqae buhut he zabardast tareqy sy aagy barhaya aap ny .
or yeh taqtee to mery sar sy guzar jaati hy , main ny aaj tak taqtee to madd-e-nazar rakh kar kuch bhi nahen likha hy , q k samajh hi nahen aate ,
haan shayad ab samajh aajay q k aap buhut he asaan tareeqy sy sikha rahy hian ..
or nabbas ka mashwara bhi buhut he acha raha k aik thread lagaya jaay , us k bary main bhi aap kuch bataey ..inshaALLAH is tarhaan or bhi asaani hogi hum students ko ...
or aap fikar na kejey wo chand hi loog hian jun ko seriously seekhna hy , warna naam to sub hi likhwa dyty hian kaam koi nahen karta ..khair .
inshaALLAH aap k replay par yaqeenan koi ache tajveez saamny aay gi ..
khush rahey ameen

[Tifl e Maktab]

wassalam
waqae buhut he zabardast tareqy sy aagy barhaya aap ny .
or yeh taqtee to mery sar sy guzar jaati hy , main ny aaj tak taqtee to madd-e-nazar rakh kar kuch bhi nahen likha hy , q k samajh hi nahen aate ,
haan shayad ab samajh aajay q k aap buhut he asaan tareeqy sy sikha rahy hian ..
or nabbas ka mashwara bhi buhut he acha raha k aik thread lagaya jaay , us k bary main bhi aap kuch bataey ..inshaALLAH is tarhaan or bhi asaani hogi hum students ko ...
or aap fikar na kejey wo chand hi loog hian jun ko seriously seekhna hy , warna naam to sub hi likhwa dyty hian kaam koi nahen karta ..khair .
inshaALLAH aap k replay par yaqeenan koi ache tajveez saamny aay gi ..
khush rahey ameen

Bohat shukriya Gohar ji.....Naveed Abbas ki tajveez waqaii bohat achi hai aur maiN apna mashwrah is per pehlay hi de chuka hoN....dekh lijiye ga...

---------- Post added at 11:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 AM ----------

Ustaad e mohtaram janab Farrukh ji se dakhl dar ma'aqoolaat ki ma'azrat k sath ehbab se kuch arz karna chahooN ga...Main ne jo kuch Farrukh bhai se seekha aur phr us k baad Sarwar saahab se seekha wo aap tamam dostoN ki nazr kar raha hoN k ye wo pehla sabaq hai jo maiN ne Farrukh ji se seekha aur aaj bhi yaad hai...

Hamari zubaan urdu ka her lafz haroof ka murakkab yaa set hai....jaisay mera naam "Asad" urdu maiN is ko alif+seen+daal ko joR kar likhtay haiN yaani aik 3 haroof k murakkab ya set ko lafz "asad" kaha jata hai....ab ye lafz hijjay k lehaaz se 3 haroof per mabni hai laikin jab hum is ko paRhtay ya pukartay haiN to isko 2 hissoN maiN taqseem ya divide kar detayhaiN awaaz kuch is tarha nikalti hai "A......SD" aisay hi kuch alfaz hotay haiN jin maiN kuch haroof ki adaaigi hoti hai aur kuch ki nahiN hoti.....

jaisay "Farrukh" urdu maiN Fa+r+KH yaani 3 haroof likhay jaatay haiN laikin jab aap pukartay haiN to awaaz 4 haroof ki aati hai Fr Rkh....yaani harf "ray" ko 2 martaba paRha ja raha hai laikin likha sirf 1 hi martaba ja raha hai......aisay hi, lafz hai "ambiya" yaani Prophets.....is ki hijjay hai Alif+noon+bay+ye+alif agr hijjay k lehaaz se dekhaiN to is ka talaffuz ya Pronunciation hona chahiya "an bi ya" laikin hum isko paRhtay haiN "Am bi ya" is liye k noon ki awaaz dab rahi hai aur be ki awaaz ko us per fouqiyaat ya prefrence hasil ho rahi hai.....

ab ye tamam misalaiiN dene ka maqsad kya tha......ji maqsad ye tha k urdu shairy maiN sirf unhi haroof ko taqtii maiN liya jaata hai jin ki awaaz sunaii de rahi ho......jaisay کہاں، جہاں ، یہاں، وہاں in tamam alfaaz k aakhir maiN noon ghunaaN hai.....laikin awaaz sirf alif ki aati hai yaani "K ha" .... "J ha" ....y ha aur w ha......is liye taqtee k waqt hum noon ghunnaaN ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN.....

Urdu shairy chooN k Arabi aur Farsi adaab se makhooz hai aur arabi aur farsi dono zubanooN maiN "do chashmi hay" ka wajood nahiN hai is liye urdu shairy maiN bhi hum is ko wazn maiN shumaar nahiN kartay haiN jaisay lafz کھانا ka wazn sir "k na" liya jaye ga...

Farrukh bhai ne apnay lecture maiN kuch haroof ki aqsaam ka bhi zikr kiya hai us ki bhi thoRi si wazahat kardoN.....mere naqis khayal k mutabiq haroof sirf 2 qism k hotay haiN.....aik harf e Sakin......aur dosra harf e mutahharik....

sakin harooF kya hotay haiN mujhe yaqeen hai k aap sab jantay hongay, laikin phr bhi misaal deta hoN jaisay lafz hai Naqsh.....ab is maiN Sheen Sakin hai, Hai na ? aisay jaam maiN meem sakin hai.........raat maiN tey sakin hai....shams maiN seen saakin hai....theek ?

acha ab agr naqsh maiN sheen sakin hai to us se pehlay k haroof kya huway ?????? yaqeenan ye haroof mutahariik hi huway na.....laikin ye mutaharrik kyuN aur kaisay huway ??? dekhaiN lafz naqsh main 3 haroof haiN, Noon+Qaaf+Sheen.....is ki adaaigi hoti hai NQ-Sh...yaani noon aur qaaf ko mila kar paRha jata hai aur sheen ko alag paRha jata hai.....is hi tarha jo haroof aisay hotay haiN jin ko Singular ya alehda nahiN paRha ja sakta aur un haroof ko mila kar paRhna zarori hota hai yaa ye k unki adaigi us k beghair mumikin nahiN aisay haroof ko mutaharrik kehtay haiN...

شا...م را...ت، نا....م ، فل.....م، گو.....ل ، ور.....ق چر....خ

uper diya gaye alfaz maiN se maiN ne mutaharrik aur sakin haroof k darmiyaan faaslaa qaym kar k wazahat karnay ki koshish ki hai.....

ab agr aap ko Sakin aur Mutaharrik haroof ki shanakht karni aa gaii hai to phr aap dostoN se chahoN ga k kuch alfaz share karaiiN jin ki taqtee wo khud is hi bunyaad par karaiiN k un maiN sakin aur mutaharrik haroof alehda alehda ho jaiN......phr hum isse aagay aik shaEr ki taqtee karaiiN ge ta k mazeed wazahat mumkin ho.

[Tifl e Maktab]

Dostoo! Assalam o Alaikum,

jaisay k aap ne ooper dekha k hum ne alfaz ko 2 sets maiN divide kiya hai yaani sakin aur mutaharrik. laikin kuch haroof aisay bhi hotay haiN jo k sakin bhi hotay haiN laikin unko mutaharrik paRah jata hai.....jaisay:

دل ناداں
شب ہجر
فرق و یاس
شب و روز

ab in alfaz ko agr dekhaiN to "Dil" "NadaaN" yaani daal aur laam "Dil" is maiN daal mutaharrik aur laam sakin hai, laikin is hi laam k neechay agr hum aik zair lagaa daiN to ye laam mutaharrik aur daal sakin ho jata hai.............."Di le Na daN" (dil e nadaaN) jahaN hum zair laga kar harf ko mutaharrik karay haiN wahaN hum zair ko ba-wazn "Alif" ya "yay" k laitay haiN yaani ab sorat e haal ye ho gaii k daal sakin ho gaya aur laam k saath aik yay laga di to wo mutaharrik ho gaya.....

aisay hi WaoW ka istemaal kiya jaata hai, lafz hai "Shab" yaani raat is maiN sheen mutaharrik hai kyun k ye aagay aanay wali bay k sath mil kar talaffuz paida kar rha hai jab k bay sakin hai......laikin jab is hi be k aagay WaoW laga di jaye gi to phr ye sheen o choR de ga aur WaoW se dosti kar lega aur lafz is tarha paRha jaye ga "sh bo ro z" yahan sheen sakin ho gaya hai aur bay mutaharrik.....

umeed hai aap dostoN ki samjh maiN sakin aur mutaharrik haroof aa gaye hoN ge. Agr koi sawaal ya koi uljhan zehn maiN ho to aap log sunday tak poch saktay haiN kyuN k phr Monday se hum AshaAr ki taqtee shuru karaiiN ge.......is ka matlab ye nahiN k is k baad koi poch nahiN sakta aap zaroor pochaiN 100 martaba pochaiiN maiN hazir hoN laikin Monday k baad agr kisi ko pochna ho to wo PM maiN poch saktay haiN yahaN lessons ka sequence disturb na ho is liye ye kaha gaya hai...

aap sab ki dilchaspi k liye mamnoon hoN aur duaooN ka talabgar

Tifl e Maktab

[Tifl e Maktab]

hasb e wadaa haazir hoN. aaj se hum taqtee ki koshish karaiiN ge....

taqtee ka sab se pehla usool ye hai k jin haroof ki awaaz sunaii detay hi si hum sirf unko hi taqtee maiN letay haiN aur jin haroof ki awaaz sunaii nahi deti unko taqtee maiN nahiN letay. dosra usool ye hai k Noon GhunnaN aur Do chashmi hay ko bhi taqtee maiN nahiN liya jaata hai.....to aaye shuru kartay haiN aik na'atiya shaEr se:

وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا

ab is shaEr ko baar baar paRhiye aur phr andaza kijiye k wo kon se haroof haiN jin ki awaaz sunaii deti hai aur kon se haroof haiN jin k k awaaz sunaii nahiN deti.....

وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



و نب یو م رح مت ل قب پا ن وا لا
م را دے غ ری بو ک بر لا ن وا لا

ab yahaN dekhaiN hum ne alfaaz ko unki awaaz ki bunyaad per tooR diya hai.....aur is maiN se sakin aur mutaharrik haroof ko alag alag kar liya hai.....tamam sakin haroof Red Color maiN hain aur mutaharrik Blue color maiN....

kuch samjh aaya ?

aik aur baat ye k aap is maiN note kariiN ge k pehlay misray ki tarteeb kuch makhsoos si hai....jis maiN pehla harf sakin aur phr us k baat 2 mutaharrik haiN is tarha se 5 haroof ka aik set bana hai....aur poray misray maiN 4 set banay haiN.....yehi tarteeb dosray misray ki bhi hai......kya khayal hai ?

ab ye jo sakin aur mutahharik haroof haiN inki ta'adaad ko wazn kaha jata hai wazn aik lafz ka bhi hota hai aik satr ka bhi aur aik misray ka bhi....laikin in auwzaan (wazn ki jamaa) ki tarteeb ko behr kehtay haiN....ab is shaEr ki behr konsi hai is ko hum baad maiN discuss kariiN ge....pehlay aap log ye sabaq hazm kar laiiN....aur mjhe bhi is ka andaza ho jaye k aap log yahaN tak samjh gaye haiN...

aap k jawaab ka muntazir rahooN ga...

[Nabbas]

hasb e wadaa haazir hoN. aaj se hum taqtee ki koshish karaiiN ge....

taqtee ka sab se pehla usool ye hai k jin haroof ki awaaz sunaii detay hi si hum sirf unko hi taqtee maiN letay haiN aur jin haroof ki awaaz sunaii nahi deti unko taqtee maiN nahiN letay. dosra usool ye hai k Noon GhunnaN aur Do chashmi hay ko bhi taqtee maiN nahiN liya jaata hai.....to aaye shuru kartay haiN aik na'atiya shaEr se:

وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا

ab is shaEr ko baar baar paRhiye aur phr andaza kijiye k wo kon se haroof haiN jin ki awaaz sunaii deti hai aur kon se haroof haiN jin k k awaaz sunaii nahiN deti.....

وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



وہ نبیوں میں رحمت لقب پا نے والا
مرادیں غریبوں کی بر لانے والا



و نب یو م رح مت ل قب پا ن وا لا
م را دے غ ری بو ک بر لا ن وا لا

ab yahaN dekhaiN hum ne alfaaz ko unki awaaz ki bunyaad per tooR diya hai.....aur is maiN se sakin aur mutaharrik haroof ko alag alag kar liya hai.....tamam sakin haroof Red Color maiN hain aur mutaharrik Blue color maiN....

kuch samjh aaya ?

aik aur baat ye k aap is maiN note kariiN ge k pehlay misray ki tarteeb kuch makhsoos si hai....jis maiN pehla harf sakin aur phr us k baat 2 mutaharrik haiN is tarha se 5 haroof ka aik set bana hai....aur poray misray maiN 4 set banay haiN.....yehi tarteeb dosray misray ki bhi hai......kya khayal hai ?

ab ye jo sakin aur mutahharik haroof haiN inki ta'adaad ko wazn kaha jata hai wazn aik lafz ka bhi hota hai aik satr ka bhi aur aik misray ka bhi....laikin in auwzaan (wazn ki jamaa) ki tarteeb ko behr kehtay haiN....ab is shaEr ki behr konsi hai is ko hum baad maiN discuss kariiN ge....pehlay aap log ye sabaq hazm kar laiiN....aur mjhe bhi is ka andaza ho jaye k aap log yahaN tak samjh gaye haiN...

aap k jawaab ka muntazir rahooN ga...

Bhai bohat umdah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! APP ki koshish Qabl-e-tehseen hain!!!!!!!!!! Bhai aik arz hai ager app usi format ko use karain jo app excel main kertey hain. mera maqsad yeh hai kety taqteeh key sath sath wzn bhi ker sakain I mean 1 2 22 1 2 wala wazun.Meri confusion kafi hud tuk clear hoo gai hai main ney sakin aur mutaharik pehley nahin dekhey they aur na hi mujhey maloom tha key wazun main inki ehmiyat kafi hoti hai.........Khair ab sekh raha hoon app sey ho sakta hai , merey reply office ki masrofiyat key bais kum hoon lekin main wada kerta hoon awul sey akhir tamam articles ko parhoon ga aur appni confusions aur sawal app key gosh guzar bhi karoon ga!!!!!!!!!

[saba789]

nice thread i like it

[roshnee]

bohut shukrya janab itna achhay tareeqay say har cheez ko biyan karny ka
kaffi had tak samjh main a raha sabq apka

ayendh bhi intizar rahay ga
kiya hum talib ilmouN kay koi kam nahee millay ga?

Roshnee

[Tifl e Maktab]

bohut shukrya janab itna achhay tareeqay say har cheez ko biyan karny ka
kaffi had tak samjh main a raha sabq apka

ayendh bhi intizar rahay ga
kiya hum talib ilmouN kay koi kam nahee millay ga?

Roshnee

Roshnee ji,

ye meri aik choti si koshish hai us ilm ko aap sab dostoN tak pohnchanay ki jo mujhe mere mushfiq aur mehrbaan dostoN se hasil huwa............jahaN tak Home work ki baat hai, to ilm ka aik hi usool hai...................Ilm us hi k pass ataa hai aur utna hi ataa hai jitni k us maiN justju ho............ab koi yahaN interest show karay ga to hum agay bhi koshish karaiiN ge, warna hum apnay ghar pe bohat khush haiN....

[uswah123]

nice post,,keep it up

[diya Imaan]

is class ke vacations kab khtam honi hia ji ............................. mujhy pichla sara bhool jana he............

[(ÀŋŐőŞĥ€Ħ)]

Bht Hi Alla ...Mujhy Shairi ki alif bay ka nai pata ...
mjy kabhi nai pata chala Wazun kia hota hai.isay kaisy krtay hain..
Shairi kaisy krtay hain..
Aj tk nai pata chala k ye ShaiR Hazraat Kaisy Itna KhoobSorat Likhtay hain..
Bht Shukriya FarruKh Ji AnDTM saab
U ReaLY Did Best.
Is silsilay Ko agay Badhiye TM g..
Mjy Ap se Seekhna hai Agr apki Inayut Ho..
RegardS

[Disturbing behaviour]

Very nice thread. I have just seen this and this is very informative and helpful for us but i dont know that why is it suspended nowadays

ZaY

[Tifl e Maktab]

DB sir aur digar ehbab aap sab ka behad shukrguzar hoN k aap ne is silsilay ko pasand kiya aur aik choti si koshish diye se diya jalanay ki thi us ko saraha......jaisa k aap sab hi ne farmaya k ye silsila ruk gaya hai to us ki wajha dostoN ka interest hai, agr koi seekhnay hi nahiN aaye ga to sikhanay wala kya sikhaye ga ????? jo taqtee k bunyadi usool hai wo kisi had tak yahaN darj kar diye haiN ab isse kisi ko kya samjh maiN aaya aur wo aagay kya janna chahtay haiN is ka to mujhe ilm us waqt hi ho sakta hai jab koi mujhse ya Farrukh bhai se sawaal karay...............

agr ehbab chahtay haiN k ye silsila jaari rahay to unko chahiye k wo yahaN aaiN practice karaiiN, apnay sawaal pesh karaiiN jahaN kahiiN unko confusion hai pochaiiN taa k dosroN ka bhi bhala ho aur khud unka bhi.

is silsilay ki rooh sirf aap dostoN ka interest hai agr rooh hi nahiN hogi to jism harkat nahiN kar sakay ga...

bht shukriya...

[diya Imaan]

Asad bahi! mujhy na oper wali sb cheezain clear hain or mujhy lgta hai k smjh aa gai hai ... laikin mujh se kisi or sher ki taqtee nai ho rahi ...apny aik sher k kr rahi thi bt us ka tu wazan aagy hi theek nahi tha tu taqtee b nahi ho rahi thi mere se ........phr mian nia is sher ki try ki hai .... taqtee tu kr li jaisy b .... laikin ab sakin or mutahrik ka kaisy pata chly ga..... waisy tu sakin or mutaharik ki definition pata hai bt sher main mujh se define nahi ho rahy ..... acha aik baat btain ye jo shair hoty hian jin ko aata hia sb kuch wo tu hr sher ki taqtee nahi krty na un ko tu waisy hi wazan brabar krny ki practice ho jati ho gi ......



ہم نہیں جا نتے چراغو ں نے

کیو ں اند ھیرو ں سے دوستی کر لی

acha aap nai taqtee k 2 main asool btaye hain ...bt mujhy tu sb ki awazain aati hain koi b silent nahi lgta........

ہم نہی جا ن ت چراغو ن

کیو اندیرو س دوست کر ل


acha let me try k is main sakin konsy hain or mutaharik konsy .......waisy saary hi mutaharik lag rahy hain ufff

ہم نہی جا ن ت چراغو ن

کیو اندیرو س دوست کر ل

bss ye red color waly sakin hain ............ahmmmmm

[Gul-e-Nayaab]

shukar hy malik ka kisi ny tois thread ka sukoot tora ...lol
bhae ab to aik student aagaya hy , ab jaldi sy hamary sar ji bhi ajaen to acha hy ...........