Discussion Kiya Muhabbat nazil hoti hai..........??

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Assalam-O-Alykum wr wb

kese hen ap sb?
Again after a v long time with a new thread n topic in LK

Mjhey lgta hai mene jase hi modship chori hai mere senses sharp hogaye hen or dobara se TOPICS ki amad hone lagi he lol

pr is bar koshish krun gi mere threads chotey hon

Aik statement pr ap se raye leni thi

whether u agree or disagree it s upto u

lakin ap ko reason k sath justify krna pare ga apna answer



TOPIC;

" Jase Jelousy ya hasad ka jazba ap k andr se phoot'ta hai, jase khushi or ghum ki feelings ap k andr se ubhrti hen or

jase nafrat bhi ap k apne zehn or dil ki paidawar hoti he wese MUHABBAT nai hoti, mjhey lgta hai ye Insan k andr se nahi phoot'ti ye us pr nazil hoti hai

(ye ap k jism ya internal body ka hissa n hoti..)..bilkul external, kisi asmani sahife ki tarah, Kisi ilham ki tarah ya jase koi phoonk marta hai dil pr or us k bd.........?

us k bd ap ka dil, apki ankhain or apka zehn aik bilkul nai dunya ko dekhen k qabil bn jata hai, or ajeeb mo'ajzon se ashna hota hai"

Ap ka kiya khyal hai???

[Talha I]

love at frst sight pr meri apni aik theory he irritate na hotey tm to zroor share krti

Sari muhabbaten manual n hoti

Is bat pr ikhtiyar ka kiya kaho ge tm.....................kisi ne kaha tha hme jis se muhabbat hui use sb se pehle hm ne khwab me dekha tha bd me life me mila

aap share krlein mein koi irritate wagera nahi hua hun i respect others opinions.. aap share krskti hain.. agree krna ya na karna mera kam hai
khuwab me dekha tha? yaani wahi hui thi? future ki kefiat insan ko pehle se kisi bhi soorat pata nahi lgskti .. khastorpe khuwab ki soorat mein to har ghiz nahi.. hamara deen is bat ko negate krta hai..

[Talha I]

wese ek baat mein topic se hat ke thora keh dun.. ke insaan har chiz par ikhtiyaar rakhta hai.. aur sb kaam apni marzi se karta hai.. there will come a time you ll realize this.. mein realize krchuka hun abi isi saal hi shayed..
ek azaad insan koi chiz bi ksi aur ki marzi se nai karta khastorpe apne zaati faislay chahy wo jazbaat ke baray me kyn na hon.. even ke insan ghum bi apne apko khud deta hai.. agar chahy to na de.. ye bat larkio ko amuman bht late smjh ati hai aur ya to ati hi nai hai jese meri apni khala hain!.. buh i knw ap thori different hain u ll understand quicker..

[~*AayyaT*~]

tou zameen pe raha karein na

lo tou phir der kaisey khtam hoga bhala

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love at first sight theory

again I will must say me ise generalize nai krrai lakin kuch situations me asa ho bhi skta hai

log smjhtey hen love at frst sight k bs pehli nazr pri,psnd aya, or muhabbat hogai aik anjan bnde se

bt I'll say k baz oqat asa hota hai k ap apne zhn me aik shakhsiyat ko idealize krlete hen us shakhsiyat ka ap ki life me koi existance nahi hoti wo srf ap k dimagh ki ikhtira ya creation hoti he

or phr life me achanak asa hota hai k ap koi asa shakhs dekh lete hen ya miltey hen ase shakhs se jo hoobahoo ap k ideal jesa hota hai

logon k liye ye cheez love at first sight hoskti he pr pr jo object ya lover hai us k liye nai cx wo us shakhsiyat k sath so bar tasawwur me bat krchuka hota hai, us se mil chuka hota, bht sari baten share ki hoti hen n blah blah

got ma point?

doosri bat mjhey u ki smjh n ayi khwab wali bt jo smjh aya hai us ka reply krrai hun

hw do u say???? ghaib ka ilm srf Allah k pas hai lakin wo apne ilm me se thora ilm agr kisi shakhs ko dena chahe to is me konsi ta'ajjub ki bat hai?

ye kis ne kaha k islam isk manafi hai??

SACHEY KHWAB nabuwwat ka chiyaliswa hissa hai.............u ko ye to pata hoga?

kiya hazrat Yousaf A.S ka bachpan ka khwab bad me jakr poora n huwa tha???

or mere liye ye bat isi liye ajeeb nahi cx me khud sachey khwab dekhti hun, mera bhai even jo khwab us ne bachpan me dekhe they wo ab kuch poore hogayen hen kuch hraye hen

or kafi mrtba asa b huwa jo us ne rat ko khwab me dekha wo subha hogya..................mere sath bht dfa huwa jo mene khwab me dekha baz oqat wesa hi hojata hai , so what's new? ya against islam?

kiya paighmbron ko suchi khwaben n ati thin??

aap share krlein mein koi irritate wagera nahi hua hun i respect others opinions.. aap share krskti hain.. agree krna ya na karna mera kam hai
khuwab me dekha tha? yaani wahi hui thi? future ki kefiat insan ko pehle se kisi bhi soorat pata nahi lgskti .. khastorpe khuwab ki soorat mein to har ghiz nahi.. hamara deen is bat ko negate krta hai..

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mene kaha na jo tm keh rae ho wo mera apna point of view b hai

k insan hr cheez me ikhtiyar rkhta hai lakin.............

kiya tqdeer pr iman nai???? jo cheez Allah likh de us k bd or us cheez me hme koi ikhyar nahi hota..............honi hokr rehti hai

zra is bat ko wasee scale pr dekho..insan k pas bht sa ikhtiyar hai lakin phr b kuch jaghon pr wo apna ikhtyar istimal n krskta ise azmaish b kehtey hen

wese ek baat mein topic se hat ke thora keh dun.. ke insaan har chiz par ikhtiyaar rakhta hai.. aur sb kaam apni marzi se karta hai.. there will come a time you ll realize this.. mein realize krchuka hun abi isi saal hi shayed..
ek azaad insan koi chiz bi ksi aur ki marzi se nai karta khastorpe apne zaati faislay chahy wo jazbaat ke baray me kyn na hon.. even ke insan ghum bi apne apko khud deta hai.. agar chahy to na de.. ye bat larkio ko amuman bht late smjh ati hai aur ya to ati hi nai hai jese meri apni khala hain!.. buh i knw ap thori different hain u ll understand quicker..

[Talha I]

mene kaha na jo tm keh rae ho wo mera apna point of view b hai

k insan hr cheez me ikhtiyar rkhta hai lakin.............

kiya tqdeer pr iman nai???? jo cheez Allah likh de us k bd or us cheez me hme koi ikhyar nahi hota..............honi hokr rehti hai

zra is bat ko wasee scale pr dekho..insan k pas bht sa ikhtiyar hai lakin phr b kuch jaghon pr wo apna ikhtyar istimal n krskta ise azmaish b kehtey hen

mohabbat azmaish hogyi yani? azmaish afaton ko kehte hain sister ya parishanio ko .. mohabbat ko mix na krein ismein.. mohabbat kisi surat parishani ya afat nahi hai.. aur na hi azmaish
taqdeer par iman hai.. lekin Allah swt ne insan ko sahib e ikhtiyaar bnaya hai.. apna ikhtiyaar in process of taqdeer bi use karta hai insan!

[Talha I]

love at first sight theory

again I will must say me ise generalize nai krrai lakin kuch situations me asa ho bhi skta hai

log smjhtey hen love at frst sight k bs pehli nazr pri,psnd aya, or muhabbat hogai aik anjan bnde se

bt I'll say k baz oqat asa hota hai k ap apne zhn me aik shakhsiyat ko idealize krlete hen us shakhsiyat ka ap ki life me koi existance nahi hoti wo srf ap k dimagh ki ikhtira ya creation hoti he

or phr life me achanak asa hota hai k ap koi asa shakhs dekh lete hen ya miltey hen ase shakhs se jo hoobahoo ap k ideal jesa hota hai

logon k liye ye cheez love at first sight hoskti he pr pr jo object ya lover hai us k liye nai cx wo us shakhsiyat k sath so bar tasawwur me bat krchuka hota hai, us se mil chuka hota, bht sari baten share ki hoti hen n blah blah

got ma point?

doosri bat mjhey u ki smjh n ayi khwab wali bt jo smjh aya hai us ka reply krrai hun

hw do u say???? ghaib ka ilm srf Allah k pas hai lakin wo apne ilm me se thora ilm agr kisi shakhs ko dena chahe to is me konsi ta'ajjub ki bat hai?

ye kis ne kaha k islam isk manafi hai??

SACHEY KHWAB nabuwwat ka chiyaliswa hissa hai.............u ko ye to pata hoga?

kiya hazrat Yousaf A.S ka bachpan ka khwab bad me jakr poora n huwa tha???

or mere liye ye bat isi liye ajeeb nahi cx me khud sachey khwab dekhti hun, mera bhai even jo khwab us ne bachpan me dekhe they wo ab kuch poore hogayen hen kuch hraye hen

or kafi mrtba asa b huwa jo us ne rat ko khwab me dekha wo subha hogya..................mere sath bht dfa huwa jo mene khwab me dekha baz oqat wesa hi hojata hai , so what's new? ya against islam?

kiya paighmbron ko suchi khwaben n ati thin??

chalein jo condition aapne btayi hai.. uska mjhy andaza nahi islye mein bilkul bi uspar aap se behes nahi karunga kuz frankly mera koi esa ideal nai jis se mein khuwabon mein milun balke ideal hai hi nai as such.. mera view to yeh hai ke jo bhi hogi inshaAllah hum usay ideal krdenge.. inshaAllah!

wahi ka silsilaa anbiya karaam A.S ke sath thaa .. they were chosen for this.. Aap SW ki hadith se ye bat sabit hai ke khuwab ana aur uska sach hojana wahi ki qism thaa.. its not anythng jo apko pata na ho.. khr tou baat yeh hai ke anbiya karaam ke pas tou wahi aati thi isse tou mein inkar kar hi nai skta.. khuwab atay thay unhe jo sach hojate thay.. lekin woh aap ya mein nai thay woh anbiya thay..
lekin as you know very well ke wahi ka silsilaaa Aap SW ke wisaal ke baad munqata hochuka hai.. wahi ka silsila ruk chuka hai.. lihaza khuwab ke zariyeh kisi ko future ka btadia jaye its impossible.. warna iska matlab hogaa ke wahi ka silsila Aap SW ke baad bhi jari hai..
jahan tak khuwab sach honay ki bat hai tou mere apne 4 khuwab bilkul copy sahi huwe hain.. buh i never took it as any news .. kyunke i am clear ke wahi ya future ki khabar nahi hai koi.. haqiqat yeh hai ke jb bi koi khuwab sach huwa hai tou us khuwab se pehle mere zehen me vo bat chal rai hoti thi.. aur khuwab me video ki tarah nazar ajati thi.. iski wajah bs yeh thi ke Alhumdullilah mera future insight acha hai mein bht realistically dekhta hun ke agay kya hone wala hai bs ek andaza lagata hun jo majority tyms sahi hota hai.. bs khuwab sach hojana is nothing special.. all i know is ke Aap SW ke wisaal ke baad wahi ka silsila munqata hochuka hai aur khuwab ka sach hona wahi ki ek qism tha..

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Azmaish museebat ya afata ko hi kehtey hen?? really?

phr u ka is muamle me ilm or tjurba bht thora hai..........Allah to kisi ko de kr b azmata hai to kiya "diya huwa" museebat kehlaye ga?

taqdeer me ikhtiyar use krsktahai insan???.................Allah ne mot ka wqt likh diya us me kiya ikhtiyar insan istimal krskta hai??? wo to hokr rahe gi.......

Allah ne taqdeer me aik muqarra amount RIZQ ka likh diya ab insan konse ikhtiyar istimal krk us rizq ki muqarra amount se zyada hasil krskta hai??

Allah ne insan ki taqdeer me likh diya k Aik particular cheez ya shakhs is shakhs ki zindagi me nahi shamil hoga ya ise nahi di jaye gi to insan jitney sr takra ley
konse ikhtyar istimal krk wo nauzubilla likhi hui taqdeer ko bdl skta hai????????

Ab zra ghor se socho is bat pr..........!! or sochney k doran koib cheez generalize krk na sochnaa............Individual difference are also there....always

mohabbat azmaish hogyi yani? azmaish afaton ko kehte hain sister ya parishanio ko .. mohabbat ko mix na krein ismein.. mohabbat kisi surat parishani ya afat nahi hai.. aur na hi azmaish
taqdeer par iman hai.. lekin Allah swt ne insan ko sahib e ikhtiyaar bnaya hai.. apna ikhtiyaar in process of taqdeer bi use karta hai insan!

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Impressive @ Ideal

mature thinking as always

betaa ji ye hadith ka mafhoom hai..................sachey khwab nabuwwat ka chiyaleeswa hissa hai

Hazrat Yousaf A.S Ki story srf un ki story n hai us me hm insanon or Islam followers k liye bht sare lessons hain or un lessons me se aik lesson ya bhi hai k

jase hazrat yousaf A.S ka khwab itneyyy salon bd poora huwa wese hme b jald bazi se kam n lena chahye or na mayus hona chahye zroori n hai k aik acha khwab apne

kl dekha wo do din bd poora hojaye baz oqat zindagi k akhri hissey me wo khwab poora hojata hai

Nabuwwat to Prophet SAW pr khtm hai dfntly is me koi shak nahi or wahi ka silsiley samait hazrat Jibrail A.S ki amad b is dunya me ...kiya kena chahye....khtm hogai

lakin Sachey khwab muslims kiya non-muslims ko b atey hen.............u said k srf ambiya ko hi is traah k suchey khwab atey hen??

don'tu r3mmbr Hazrat Yousaf A.S ki story mai us badshah ko b to sucha khwab aya tha jo k muslim n tha or wo khwab kiya tha aik tarah se future ki nishandahi

k Qehat prne wala hai..............badshah ka saat gayen wala khwab..............remmbr? na to wo badshah paighmber tha na hi muslim ......to phr???

u said jo khwab tmne dekhen wo tmhare xhn me already baten chal rai thi...................don't think like that............tmhara personal experience hai is tarah isiliye u ka

yee point of view hai jbk dunya bhri pari hai ajaibaat sey................zroori nahi jo tmhara tajurba ho wo doosron ka b ho see

bht generally andaz me socho or apne experiences ko as a tool or helper use kro lakin ap apne experiences pr koi hatmi natija qaim nahikrsktey hope u got ma point

meri example lelo tm kehtey ho tmhare xhn me baten thi or tm ne bht realistic hokr socha tha isi liye tmhe jo khwab aya us hisab se poora huwa bt mera tajurba tm se bht mukhtalif hai

aik asi cheez jis ka mere xhn me ana to aik taraf jis ko me janti b na thi bilkul aik neww experience......lakin wo khwab me aya mjhey or usi tarah khwab sucha nikala waqai wo cheez hogai halank mere xhn me koi bat n thi

chalein jo condition aapne btayi hai.. uska mjhy andaza nahi islye mein bilkul bi uspar aap se behes nahi karunga kuz frankly mera koi esa ideal nai jis se mein khuwabon mein milun balke ideal hai hi nai as such.. mera view to yeh hai ke jo bhi hogi inshaAllah hum usay ideal krdenge.. inshaAllah!

wahi ka silsilaa anbiya karaam A.S ke sath thaa .. they were chosen for this.. Aap SW ki hadith se ye bat sabit hai ke khuwab ana aur uska sach hojana wahi ki qism thaa.. its not anythng jo apko pata na ho.. khr tou baat yeh hai ke anbiya karaam ke pas tou wahi aati thi isse tou mein inkar kar hi nai skta.. khuwab atay thay unhe jo sach hojate thay.. lekin woh aap ya mein nai thay woh anbiya thay..
lekin as you know very well ke wahi ka silsilaaa Aap SW ke wisaal ke baad munqata hochuka hai.. wahi ka silsila ruk chuka hai.. lihaza khuwab ke zariyeh kisi ko future ka btadia jaye its impossible.. warna iska matlab hogaa ke wahi ka silsila Aap SW ke baad bhi jari hai..
jahan tak khuwab sach honay ki bat hai tou mere apne 4 khuwab bilkul copy sahi huwe hain.. buh i never took it as any news .. kyunke i am clear ke wahi ya future ki khabar nahi hai koi.. haqiqat yeh hai ke jb bi koi khuwab sach huwa hai tou us khuwab se pehle mere zehen me vo bat chal rai hoti thi.. aur khuwab me video ki tarah nazar ajati thi.. iski wajah bs yeh thi ke Alhumdullilah mera future insight acha hai mein bht realistically dekhta hun ke agay kya hone wala hai bs ek andaza lagata hun jo majority tyms sahi hota hai.. bs khuwab sach hojana is nothing special.. all i know is ke Aap SW ke wisaal ke baad wahi ka silsila munqata hochuka hai aur khuwab ka sach hona wahi ki ek qism tha..

[Talha I]

Azmaish museebat ya afata ko hi kehtey hen?? really?

phr u ka is muamle me ilm or tjurba bht thora hai..........Allah to kisi ko de kr b azmata hai to kiya "diya huwa" museebat kehlaye ga?

taqdeer me ikhtiyar use krsktahai insan???.................Allah ne mot ka wqt likh diya us me kiya ikhtiyar insan istimal krskta hai??? wo to hokr rahe gi.......

Allah ne taqdeer me aik muqarra amount RIZQ ka likh diya ab insan konse ikhtiyar istimal krk us rizq ki muqarra amount se zyada hasil krskta hai??

Allah ne insan ki taqdeer me likh diya k Aik particular cheez ya shakhs is shakhs ki zindagi me nahi shamil hoga ya ise nahi di jaye gi to insan jitney sr takra ley
konse ikhtyar istimal krk wo nauzubilla likhi hui taqdeer ko bdl skta hai????????

Ab zra ghor se socho is bat pr..........!! or sochney k doran koib cheez generalize krk na sochnaa............Individual difference are also there....always

nahi Allah swt kisi ko dekar azamata hai aur kisi ko lekar.. bht ziadah pesa aur khushi bhi azmaish hi hai..
lekin mohabbat azmaish mein aati hai? i cant agree ever..
yeah mout ka waqt likhdia wo hokar rahegi.. kese hogi? isme insaan ka ikhtiyar bht jagah amal daramad hota hai..
taqdeer mein likhdia gya ke insaan itna kamayega rizq.. kese kamayega? halaal ya haraam.. insan pe depend krta hai.. agya ikhtiyar..
mein general hi baat krne ka aadi hun.. normally kabi bi particular nahi hotaa.. tou bat hamesha general hi krta hun aur sochta bi general hi hun.. Agar insaan sahib e ikhtiyaar nahi hotaa tou uska muakhza jannat ya dozakh se nahi hota sis.. taqdeer ka aap jo concept derai hain tht means ke insaan kch bi apne ikhtiyar se nai karegaa.. which means Allah swt nauzbillal sarasar ziadti kraha hai apne bunde ke sath ke sb kch khud likh diya taqdeer mein phr bi saza dega.. har ghiz esa nahi hai.. ikhtiyaar is dere.. nd taqdeer is also dere..

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nai bilkul kuch cheezen asi hen jin ko badalne me insan ka ikhtyar nai lakin................us pr sbr krk ya sbr na krk insan mi jaza saza hoskti he

me ye hrgz n keh rai k Insan ka ikhtyar hehi nahi na me ye keh rai hun k MUHABBAT pr kisi b insan ka ikhtyar nai

me srf aik particular situation me ye bat krrai hun

Muhabbat bilkul azmaish hoskti he................suna hainaa k mal, awrat or olad Insan ki azmaish hen./.....

nahi Allah swt kisi ko dekar azamata hai aur kisi ko lekar.. bht ziadah pesa aur khushi bhi azmaish hi hai..
lekin mohabbat azmaish mein aati hai? i cant agree ever..
yeah mout ka waqt likhdia wo hokar rahegi.. kese hogi? isme insaan ka ikhtiyar bht jagah amal daramad hota hai..
taqdeer mein likhdia gya ke insaan itna kamayega rizq.. kese kamayega? halaal ya haraam.. insan pe depend krta hai.. agya ikhtiyar..
mein general hi baat krne ka aadi hun.. normally kabi bi particular nahi hotaa.. tou bat hamesha general hi krta hun aur sochta bi general hi hun.. Agar insaan sahib e ikhtiyaar nahi hotaa tou uska muakhza jannat ya dozakh se nahi hota sis.. taqdeer ka aap jo concept derai hain tht means ke insaan kch bi apne ikhtiyar se nai karegaa.. which means Allah swt nauzbillal sarasar ziadti kraha hai apne bunde ke sath ke sb kch khud likh diya taqdeer mein phr bi saza dega.. har ghiz esa nahi hai.. ikhtiyaar is dere.. nd taqdeer is also dere..

[Talha I]

Impressive @ Ideal

mature thinking as always

betaa ji ye hadith ka mafhoom hai..................sachey khwab nabuwwat ka chiyaleeswa hissa hai

Hazrat Yousaf A.S Ki story srf un ki story n hai us me hm insanon or Islam followers k liye bht sare lessons hain or un lessons me se aik lesson ya bhi hai k

jase hazrat yousaf A.S ka khwab itneyyy salon bd poora huwa wese hme b jald bazi se kam n lena chahye or na mayus hona chahye zroori n hai k aik acha khwab apne

kl dekha wo do din bd poora hojaye baz oqat zindagi k akhri hissey me wo khwab poora hojata hai

Nabuwwat to Prophet SAW pr khtm hai dfntly is me koi shak nahi or wahi ka silsiley samait hazrat Jibrail A.S ki amad b is dunya me ...kiya kena chahye....khtm hogai

lakin Sachey khwab muslims kiya non-muslims ko b atey hen.............u said k srf ambiya ko hi is traah k suchey khwab atey hen??

don'tu r3mmbr Hazrat Yousaf A.S ki story mai us badshah ko b to sucha khwab aya tha jo k muslim n tha or wo khwab kiya tha aik tarah se future ki nishandahi

k Qehat prne wala hai..............badshah ka saat gayen wala khwab..............remmbr? na to wo badshah paighmber tha na hi muslim ......to phr???

u said jo khwab tmne dekhen wo tmhare xhn me already baten chal rai thi...................don't think like that............tmhara personal experience hai is tarah isiliye u ka

yee point of view hai jbk dunya bhri pari hai ajaibaat sey................zroori nahi jo tmhara tajurba ho wo doosron ka b ho see

bht generally andaz me socho or apne experiences ko as a tool or helper use kro lakin ap apne experiences pr koi hatmi natija qaim nahikrsktey hope u got ma point

meri example lelo tm kehtey ho tmhare xhn me baten thi or tm ne bht realistic hokr socha tha isi liye tmhe jo khwab aya us hisab se poora huwa bt mera tajurba tm se bht mukhtalif hai

aik asi cheez jis ka mere xhn me ana to aik taraf jis ko me janti b na thi bilkul aik neww experience......lakin wo khwab me aya mjhey or usi tarah khwab sucha nikala waqai wo cheez hogai halank mere xhn me koi bat n thi

shuru ki kisi bat se deny nahi karunga mein aur na hi mene deny kiyaa hai..
javab mein sirf us badshah wali bat ka dugaa .. woh badshah jisne saat gaye wala khuwab dekha tha wo kahin se sach nahi tha saat sukhi gaye saat moti gaye ko kha rai hain.. is it ever possible in reality? never.. haan us khuwab ki tabeer thi.. aur tabeer ka ilm hazrat yousuf A.S ko thaaa.. islye unho ne interpret krke dedya us khuwab ko.. aur dusri ek aur bat yeh ke us waqt khwabo ki tabeer btany walay log bhi aam thay aur yeh chiz bhi.. zamane zamane ki bat hai.. ese tou hazrat moosa A.S ki qoum mein jadugar thay.. ek aur peghambar thay jinki qoum math me itni agay thi ke woh kharay puri dunya ki calculation krke bta dete thay ke kya chiz kahan hai.. tou zamane thay wo.. hazrat yousuf A.S ko khaas ilm ataa kiya tha Allah swt ne isliye woh khuwab sach tha apni tabeer ke sath.. apparently sach nai tha!

hmm.. mein bilkul bhi personal nai jarha is baat par sis.. yeh jo example mene apko apni di thi wo sirf smjhane ke liye di thi.. mere ulema who are fuqahas unki yeh understanding hai ke khuwab har nabi ke liye wahi ki ek qism thaa.. jisme future ki khabrein hti thi.. Aap SW pe wahi ka silsila khatm hogyaa.. tou yeh khuwabo ka silsila khatm hochuka.. ab esa agar ho bhi jaye tou mein apne is belief se hat nai skta.. sowwie.. kynke agar mein esa karunga tht wud mean ke mein is baat ko approve krta hun ke wahi ka silsila khatm nai hua.. Allah swt ne wahi ke zariyeh dunya se rabta khatm krlia hai apna.. tht can never happen now ke koi sachay khuwab hi dekhle.. mein apko jhutla nahi rhaa.. aapne dekha hogaa sacha khuwab.. bilkul dekha hogaa.. lekin isko me koi special case ya ye nahi manta ke future ki khabar hogyi.. co incident hoga.. ya koi aur bat hogi..

[Talha I]

nai bilkul kuch cheezen asi hen jin ko badalne me insan ka ikhtyar nai lakin................us pr sbr krk ya sbr na krk insan mi jaza saza hoskti he

me ye hrgz n keh rai k Insan ka ikhtyar hehi nahi na me ye keh rai hun k MUHABBAT pr kisi b insan ka ikhtyar nai

me srf aik particular situation me ye bat krrai hun

Muhabbat bilkul azmaish hoskti he................suna hainaa k mal, awrat or olad Insan ki azmaish hen./.....

chalein aap particular muamlaat ka zikar mat kiya karein mjhse
mjhy smjh nahi ataaa phr.. mein tou general baat kraha tha!

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Lolzz khuda ka khof khao taha mene kb kaha k khwab me jesa dekha wesahogya............means khwab me ABC dekha or waqai ABC hi hogya

dfntly me meanings k hawale se hi keh rai hun............badshah ne sat gayen wali khwab dekhi dfntly ye haqeeqat me possible n tha as it is............lakin tabeerwise wo sucha tha

ab ye alag topic shuru hojaye ga isi liye me is pr n bol rai lakin srf itna kahun gi k hr pighmbr ko aik moajza mila tha or zyada tr us dor k hawale se jo cheez un k zamane pr urooj pr hoti

paighmbr ko usi hawale se mojzat diye jaye....jase MOOSA AS k dor me jadoo arooj pr tha to MOSA AS ko jo moajza diya gya wo usi hisab se tha

Prophet SAW k dor me zuban fasahat-o-balaghat or poetry waghera me arooj pr tha zamana.......to Prophet SAW ko QURAN mojza diya gya jis ki language apni misal ap he
............................

acha chalo bilfrz tmhari bat me man b lun to mjhey btao is ka kiya mtlb hai...................suchey khwab nabuwwat ka chiyaleeswan hissa hain???

doosra hadith me he mfhoom : jis ne Prophet SAW ko khwab me dekha us ne waqai unhe dekha cx shaitan un k roop me n askta...........ab agr hm man len khwabon ki koi haqeeqat wesee nahi as u said............k ye wahi ki aik qism he or Prophet k bd ye silsila khtm.............to phr ye cheez kahan stand krti he

Islamic point of view k mutabiq............bure khwab shaitan ki taraf se or achey khwab Allah tala ki taraf se hotey hen............bura khwab dekho to ye or ye kro

acha dekho to ye kro....................to jb is ki koi ahmiyat exist hi n krti to phr Islam is k adab kun btata hai????

khwabon k hawale se or b bht kuch hme milta hai islamic point of view se to wo sb kiya hai?

shuru ki kisi bat se deny nahi karunga mein aur na hi mene deny kiyaa hai..
javab mein sirf us badshah wali bat ka dugaa .. woh badshah jisne saat gaye wala khuwab dekha tha wo kahin se sach nahi tha saat sukhi gaye saat moti gaye ko kha rai hain.. is it ever possible in reality? never.. haan us khuwab ki tabeer thi.. aur tabeer ka ilm hazrat yousuf A.S ko thaaa.. islye unho ne interpret krke dedya us khuwab ko.. aur dusri ek aur bat yeh ke us waqt khwabo ki tabeer btany walay log bhi aam thay aur yeh chiz bhi.. zamane zamane ki bat hai.. ese tou hazrat moosa A.S ki qoum mein jadugar thay.. ek aur peghambar thay jinki qoum math me itni agay thi ke woh kharay puri dunya ki calculation krke bta dete thay ke kya chiz kahan hai.. tou zamane thay wo.. hazrat yousuf A.S ko khaas ilm ataa kiya tha Allah swt ne isliye woh khuwab sach tha apni tabeer ke sath.. apparently sach nai tha!

hmm.. mein bilkul bhi personal nai jarha is baat par sis.. yeh jo example mene apko apni di thi wo sirf smjhane ke liye di thi.. mere ulema who are fuqahas unki yeh understanding hai ke khuwab har nabi ke liye wahi ki ek qism thaa.. jisme future ki khabrein hti thi.. Aap SW pe wahi ka silsila khatm hogyaa.. tou yeh khuwabo ka silsila khatm hochuka.. ab esa agar ho bhi jaye tou mein apne is belief se hat nai skta.. sowwie.. kynke agar mein esa karunga tht wud mean ke mein is baat ko approve krta hun ke wahi ka silsila khatm nai hua.. Allah swt ne wahi ke zariyeh dunya se rabta khatm krlia hai apna.. tht can never happen now ke koi sachay khuwab hi dekhle.. mein apko jhutla nahi rhaa.. aapne dekha hogaa sacha khuwab.. bilkul dekha hogaa.. lekin isko me koi special case ya ye nahi manta ke future ki khabar hogyi.. co incident hoga.. ya koi aur bat hogi..

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[MENTION=155974]Voices[/MENTION]

wese ye point....k khwab wahi ki aik qism hai or wahi ka silsila khtm hochuka .................I would like to clear............me poochti hun kis scholar se

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khud hi cmnt asa dya tha k bat se bat se or bat nikal ayi or mjhey bhool gya hm dono lr kis bat pr rae they

chalein aap particular muamlaat ka zikar mat kiya karein mjhse
mjhy smjh nahi ataaa phr.. mein tou general baat kraha tha!

[Talha I]

Lolzz khuda ka khof khao taha mene kb kaha k khwab me jesa dekha wesahogya............means khwab me ABC dekha or waqai ABC hi hogya

dfntly me meanings k hawale se hi keh rai hun............badshah ne sat gayen wali khwab dekhi dfntly ye haqeeqat me possible n tha as it is............lakin tabeerwise wo sucha tha

ab ye alag topic shuru hojaye ga isi liye me is pr n bol rai lakin srf itna kahun gi k hr pighmbr ko aik moajza mila tha or zyada tr us dor k hawale se jo cheez un k zamane pr urooj pr hoti

paighmbr ko usi hawale se mojzat diye jaye....jase MOOSA AS k dor me jadoo arooj pr tha to MOSA AS ko jo moajza diya gya wo usi hisab se tha

Prophet SAW k dor me zuban fasahat-o-balaghat or poetry waghera me arooj pr tha zamana.......to Prophet SAW ko QURAN mojza diya gya jis ki language apni misal ap he
............................

acha chalo bilfrz tmhari bat me man b lun to mjhey btao is ka kiya mtlb hai...................suchey khwab nabuwwat ka chiyaleeswan hissa hain???

doosra hadith me he mfhoom : jis ne Prophet SAW ko khwab me dekha us ne waqai unhe dekha cx shaitan un k roop me n askta...........ab agr hm man len khwabon ki koi haqeeqat wesee nahi as u said............k ye wahi ki aik qism he or Prophet k bd ye silsila khtm.............to phr ye cheez kahan stand krti he

Islamic point of view k mutabiq............bure khwab shaitan ki taraf se or achey khwab Allah tala ki taraf se hotey hen............bura khwab dekho to ye or ye kro

acha dekho to ye kro....................to jb is ki koi ahmiyat exist hi n krti to phr Islam is k adab kun btata hai????

khwabon k hawale se or b bht kuch hme milta hai islamic point of view se to wo sb kiya hai?

nabuwat ka chiyaleeswan hissa tou haaiii naa.. Aap SW ko atay thay sachay khuwab.. puri ummat ko thori ayenge..
aapka ek sawal bht durust or acha hai js par me khud bi confused hun abi tk.. i.e Aap SW ka khuwab mein anaa.. ab woh kese hota hai Wallaho alam.. lekin usme bi future ki khabar nai hti koi islye ye bat negate hogyi.. relevant hadith nai hai us bat se jo hum krahe hain.. han yeh hta kese hai ye Allah janta hai.. na aap na mein na ulema..
okie now buray khuwab shetaan ki taraf se hte hain ye bat to mjy bi achi tarah maloom hai.. aur lahol parhne ka hukm hai.. lekin Allah swt ki taraf se hte hain achy khuwab? ye mene aj tk nai sunaa.. aap se sun rha hun pehli baar.. aur na hi mene kabi ye suna ke acha khuwab dekh kar kch parhna chayeh.. ahkamaat sirf buray khuwab ke liye hain ke agr bura khwab aye tou lahol parha jaye..
agar meri knowledge achay khwabo ke lihaz se kum hai tou pls aap mjhy bta skti hain vo hadiths jin me achy khwabo ko dekh kr kch krne ka hukm dia ho ya ye btaya ho ke Allah swt ki taraf se hte hain achy khwab

[Talha I]

khud hi cmnt asa dya tha k bat se bat se or bat nikal ayi or mjhey bhool gya hm dono lr kis bat pr rae they

lar nahi rahe thay
behes horai thi.. debate

[Talha I]

@Voices

wese ye point....k khwab wahi ki aik qism hai or wahi ka silsila khtm hochuka .................I would like to clear............me poochti hun kis scholar se

sure
khuwab wahi ka hissa thay.. ye mene hazrat ayesha se marwi hadiths mein parha hai.. khud bi aur ulema se bi suna hai.. even ke seerat ki kitabein jo mene parhi hain unme sb me likha hai ye..
aur wahi ka silsila tou khtm hua hi hua hai.. iska bi bht strong reference hai abi mjy yad nai arha.. ap khud krlein clear :D

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uff ullu lolzz mjhey pata hai khwab wahi ka hissa hain i knw is ko cnfrm krne ki zroort nahi

me ise is context me cnfrm krna chahti hun k agr wahi ka ilsila khtm to phr suche khwabon ko or is hadith ko k suchey khwab nabuwwat ka chiyaleswa hissa hai...lakin wahi ka silsila khtm he to is cheez ko

kese justify kiya jaye..................

sure
khuwab wahi ka hissa thay.. ye mene hazrat ayesha se marwi hadiths mein parha hai.. khud bi aur ulema se bi suna hai.. even ke seerat ki kitabein jo mene parhi hain unme sb me likha hai ye..
aur wahi ka silsila tou khtm hua hi hua hai.. iska bi bht strong reference hai abi mjy yad nai arha.. ap khud krlein clear :D