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    Re: No Shia, No Sunni, No Brelvi, No wahabi...

    There r 4 girls frm irish community turn to be muslim last week where i live MASHALLAH.

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    NON BELIEVING WOMEN WHO ACCEPT ISLAM ..... ACCEPT IT AFTER KNOWING ABOUT IT IN DETAIL ....... Hence DEY UNDERSTAND KAY JO TAHAFUZ ISLAM NAY WOMEN KO DIYA WOH KISI DOSRI RELIGION NAY NAHI DIYA ................... PPL LIKE US WHO R BORN MusLIMS >> VERY RARELy GET INTO KNOwING OUR OWN RELiGION ........ DATS DA REASON MANY OF US FEEL SUFFOCATED UNDER RULES AND Regulations OF ISLAM ........... ITS NOT DA RELIGIOn .... BUT THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF OUR OWN RELIGION DAT IS PROMOTING WESTERNIZATION IN OUR ISLAMIC SOCIETy

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    -afion
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    Orea Maqbool Jaan is writing for the Ignorants. All these groups claim to be within Islam. The big Question is, Are they???
    How do we know they all are? Is there a Criterion or Scale to check if they satisfy the basics to Qualify to be called Muslims. It would be ideal to have all included within the Muslim Brotherhood. A large body with no differences, and united. Is it possible?? Allah swt did not leave us without the Scale to Judge who is a Muslim/Believer and who is not.



    Quran:

    [Al-Ahzab 33:3] It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path.]
    [33:36.] And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest.
    [24: 51]
    The answer of the believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: They say: we hear and we obey.

    [Al-Hashr 59:7]
    Obey Allah and obey the Messenger] (An-Nisaa' 4:59) and, Whatever the Messenger giveth you, take it, and whatever he forbiddeth, abstain from it.

    [An-Nisaa' 4:115] And whoso opposeth the Messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer's way
    , We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and shall cause him to endure hell—a hapless journey's end!

    [ Believers mentioned in the above verse refers to the Sahabah, the Companions of the Prophet pbuh. So following their way is a must to be within the Muslim Brotherhood. How many of these groups follow the Believers way. The only one I know who do that are the Ahle-Hadith, who state by this that they are the people of Sunnah, and sunnah was what the Believers followed.
    The other groups are deviated, grave-worshipper and all deviation included in their beliefs. They follow their peers and imams not the Believers which Allah referred to.]



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    This is a pipe dream to think that all of these sects will unite,especially shias and sunni because they are poles apart .

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    Oroya Maqbool is a paid journalist of establishment anyways.

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    There is way out. We can all unite on a Strategic Agreement/Alliance. You follow your way and we follow our way. We do not condemn and fight eachother on religion. But we unite for common causes. Prophet pbuh did alliances with the kuffar to defend the land. Not united as Muslims but united as citizens to defend and promote Pakistan. Leave aside the desire to have one Faith, they will not. There are groups of self interest and worldly gains involved.

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    hum ye hi parh parh ker aur sun sun ker khush hote rehre hein ke aik saal ya aik ghante mein kitne goroun ne islaam qobool kia.aur iss se ye sabit kerte hein ke islaam kitna sacha muzhab hai.......islaam kitna sacha aur khara mazhub hai iss ki gawahi tou khud Allah aur uss ke rasool ne sadioun phele de di.....is ki tsadeeq ke liye gore ki misaal ki zaroorat naheen.hamein tou her dum Allah ka shukr kerna chahyee ke hum tou khud ba khud bagher mazhub ko parhe musalman ho gaye hein.haan agar amaal bhi musalmanoun wale ho jate tou kia hi acha hota.agar sari dunya hamein aap ko dehshat gerd kheti hai.tou kuch na kuch wajah tou hum ne un ko di hogi.musalamn hein tou such bolein aur iqrar karein.aur apne ghar ko sudharein.khud ko goroun ki tarah ka musalman banayein (iss mein aurat ke hijab per sara zor dena zaroori naheen hai.islaam iss ke elawa bhi bohat kuch hai ,syayed kuch mard ki neechi nigah ke bare mein...........lol )

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    ahmed107 Thanks. Quite an interesting video. But to be seen and understood with a pinch of Salt. Too much hypothetical assumptions. Kilafat is most stated. The party who struggles for it '' Hizb e Tehrir'' is a violent group. They have strange and deviated ideas introduced into Islam. According to them there is no need to do Salat/Prayers, Fasting, Hajj, etc until the time the Khilafat is established. Weird Ideas. So it is rejected straight away. Hizb e Tehrir are violent and trouble creators. To be shunned.
    Rest the video shows how the west is planning and attacking Islam. So to take care.

    So we muslims have to be extra careful about following Islam.

    [13:11]- Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls). But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning it back, nor will they find, besides Him any to protect.

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    The main objective of sharing this article, as the title says, is to remind all of us muslims that original Islam has no sects whatsoever and these new muslims are adopting that original Islam!
    Borne muslim is no way the touchstone of being a good muslim neither borne muslims are the thaikaidaar of Islam.
    It's a global religion and everyone who subscribes to any sect and declares everyone else a kafir should give this sect stupidity a second thought!

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    Thanks for proving that in order to produce a true Muslim, religion has to be forcefully banished from the business of the State. Only then we can have people who would call themselves as 'Muslims', otherwise keep rotting in sectarian and violent religious Hells.

    The only useful thing in the whole malodramatic twaddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suave View Post
    The main objective of sharing this article, as the title says, is to remind all of us muslims that original Islam has no sects whatsoever and these new muslims are adopting that original Islam!
    Borne muslim is no way the touchstone of being a good muslim neither borne muslims are the thaikaidaar of Islam.
    It's a global religion and everyone who subscribes to any sect and declares everyone else a kafir should give this sect stupidity a second thought!
    You commenced on the right track and then got derailed totally. Your later half of the statement negates the first half. Keep trying you shall get there ultimately. I can see you are grappling with the problem. Keep reading and understanding. It is not a physical issue, rather an intellectual. Good luck.

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    @ahmed107 Thanks. Quite an interesting video. But to be seen and understood with a pinch of Salt. Too much hypothetical assumptions. Kilafat is most stated. The party who struggles for it '' Hizb e Tehrir'' is a violent group. They have strange and deviated ideas introduced into Islam. According to them there is no need to do Salat/Prayers, Fasting, Hajj, etc until the time the Khilafat is established. Weird Ideas. So it is rejected straight away. Hizb e Tehrir are violent and trouble creators. To be shunned.
    Rest the video shows how the west is planning and attacking Islam. So to take care.

    So we muslims have to be extra careful about following Islam.

    [13:11]- Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls). But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning it back, nor will they find, besides Him any to protect.
    with a pinch of Salt.
    Agreed , but it dose consecrate minds,

    Hizb e Tehrir'' is a violent group.
    They may be hot headed but not violent,

    no need to do Salat/Prayers, Fasting, Hajj, etc until the time the Khilafat is established.
    totally Untrue, any way where did Hizb e Tehrir come in ?

    yes the main thought should be keep you mind & eyes open.

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    Agreed , but it dose consecrate minds,



    They may be hot headed but not violent,



    totally Untrue, any way where did Hizb e Tehrir come in ?

    yes the main thought should be keep you mind & eyes open.
    ''They may be hot headed but not violent.'' Is there a differenc between the Hot-Headed & Violent???
    All marches and show of ''hot-headedness'' is shown on the streets of London and other European Cities by this group. You sit with a hizb e Tahriri guy and he would sure astound you with his version of Islam interpretations.

    The whole video mentions Khilafat through out, hence Hizb e Tahrir is mentioned. Because I learned about this Khilafat movement from their Zealots.

    ''Thought to keep the minds and eyes'' open does not work with Pakistanis. Firstly they have lost their Minds, so they can not think. And secondly they are unable to See, so they are blind as well. Your strategy has unfortunately not worked. The Pakistanis have to be shocked into wakefulness - to think and to see. Shock Treatment is the only way that works with them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HonestMan View Post
    ''They may be hot headed but not violent.'' Is there a differenc between the Hot-Headed & Violent???
    All marches and show of ''hot-headedness'' is shown on the streets of London and other European Cities by this group. You sit with a hizb e Tahriri guy and he would sure astound you with his version of Islam interpretations.

    The whole video mentions Khilafat through out, hence Hizb e Tahrir is mentioned. Because I learned about this Khilafat movement from their Zealots.

    ''Thought to keep the minds and eyes'' open does not work with Pakistanis. Firstly they have lost their Minds, so they can not think. And secondly they are unable to See, so they are blind as well. Your strategy has unfortunately not worked. The Pakistanis have to be shocked into wakefulness - to think and to see. Shock Treatment is the only way that works with them.

    Is there a differenc between the Hot-Headed & Violent???
    big difference, ones physical and the other verbal .

    Khilafat movement from their Zealots.
    that is very presumptive!

    with his version of Islam interpretations.
    Ever one you discuss Islam with, have there own version !
    you try on this forum.

    by the way i have nothing to do with Hizb e tehrir .

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonestMan View Post
    You commenced on the right track and then got derailed totally. Your later half of the statement negates the first half. Keep trying you shall get there ultimately. I can see you are grappling with the problem. Keep reading and understanding. It is not a physical issue, rather an intellectual. Good luck.
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    yeh khushi humain islam ke phelny aur muslim umat main izafy per hey,aap loog tu har baat main koi na koi negitivity dhoond hi lety hain,khush rehna sekhain plz.

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    ''Ever one you discuss Islam with, have there own version !
    you try on this forum.''
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    That is true. It had to happen. It was prophesized by the Noblest Prophet pbuh. The Yahud would split into 71 Sects, The Nasarah into 72 Sects and Mulims into 73 Sects. So there is no issue with that and we just can't unite them. But one must atleast know who of the 73 Sects is on the Correct Path. The evidence has to come from Quran and Hadith. Let us find out:

    Quran [4:115] ''
    And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.'' (believers were the Sahabah).

    Hadith : 1. The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam) was asked, 'which of the people are the best?'. So he said, "I am aswell as those who are with me, then those upon the athar". It was said to him, 'Then who O Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam)?" He (Abu Hurairah) said: 'So he rejected the rest'. [Musnad Ahmad 3/155]

    Imams of Islam:
    Imaam Ar-Raazee (d.277AH) said: "Our madhhab and chosen path is following the Messenger of Allaah (sallaallaahu alaihi wa sallam) and the taabi'een and holding onto the madhhab of Ahlul-Athar, such as Abu Abdullaah Ahmad Ibn Hanbal" (Sharh usoolul I'ttiqaad Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah 1/179 of Imaam Laalikaa'ee d.428AH)

    Imaam Ar-Raazee (d.277AH) said: "The distinguishing sign of the Ahlul Bid'ah (people of Innovation) is that they find fault with the Ahlul-Athar" (Al-I'ttiqaad p.118 of Imaam Saaboonee d.449AH)

    Imaam As-Sam'aanee (d. 489AH) said: "Al-Atharee - This is a term of affiliation to the athar, meaning the hadeeth. And its students and followers became famous for this term of affiliation: Abu Bakr Sa'ad Ibn Abdullaah Al-Atharee at-Toosee..." (al-Insaab 1/84)

    Imaam Adh-Dhahabee (d.748AH) said (about shaykhul islam Isma'eel Al-Harawee d.481AH - the author of Dhammul-Kalaam) :"He was Shaykhul Islam, a dedicated Atharee. He came out against the people of kalaam" (As-Siyaar alaam a 18/506)

    Imaam Safaareenee (d.1188AH) said: "So he (Ahmad Ibn Hanbal) was the Imaam of Ahlul-Athar, so whoever behaves in this manner of conduct, then he is Atharee" (Lawaami ul-Anwaaril-Bahiyyah p.64)


    [ Athar means Sunnah/Hadeeth. AhlulAthar means same as AhlulHadeeth or Atharee]

    Ahlul-Hadeeth

    Imaam Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d.167AH) said: "If they did not come to me, I would go to them in their houses - meaning Ahlul-Hadeeth" (Sharaf As'Haabul Hadeeth p.180 of Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadee d.468AH)

    Imaam Alee Ibnul Madeenee (d.234AH) said concerning the hadeeth: "There shall not cease to be a group from amongst my Ummah apparent upon the truth"..."They are Ahlul-Hadeeth" (Ad-Deenar p.63 of Imaam Adh-Dhahabee d.748AH)

    Imaam Ash-Shaafi'ee (d.204AH) said: "Stick to the Ahlul-Hadeeth, since they are the most correct of the people" (As-Siyaar 14/197 of Imaam Adh-Dhahabee d.748AH)

    Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (d.241AH) said: "Ahlul-Hadeeth are the best ones to speak about knowledge" (Sharaf As'Haabul Hadeeth p.97 of Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadee d.468AH)

    Imaam Qutaybah Ibn Sa'eed (d. 240AH) said: "When you see a man loving Ahlul-Hadeeth, then he is upon the Sunnah. And whosoever opposes that, then know that he is an innovator" (Al-I'ttiqaad p.121 of Imaam Saaboonee d.449AH)

    Imaam Abu 'Uthmaan as-Saaboonee (d.449AH) said: The signs of the people of innovation are clear and obvious. The most apparent of their signs is their severe enmity for the Ahlul-Hadeeth. [Aqeedatul-Salaf, Ashaabul-Hadeeth - Page 101]

    Imaam As-Sam'aanee (d.489AH) said: "From that which proves that the Ahlul-Hadeeth are upon the truth is that if you were to read all of their written books, from the first of them to the last of them, their old and new, along with the fact that they lived in different countries and times and there were long distances between them and each one of them lived in a region from amongst he regions, you will find them upon a single way and single matter with regards to the explanation of the creed" (Al-Intisaar li-Ahlul Hadeeth. p.45)

    Imaam Asbahaanee (d.535AH) said: "The Ahlul-Hadeeth were mentioned, and they are the saved sect upon the truth until the Hour is established" (Al-Hujjah fee Bayaanil-Mahajjah 1/246)

    Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728AH) said: "There is nothing wrong with the view that the Ahlul-Hadeeth are the most knowledgeable of the Ummah concerning the knowledge of the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam) (Al-Fataawa 4/91)

    Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728AH) said: "So the belief of Ahlul-Hadeeth is the purified Sunnah, because that consists of the belief which was confirmed from the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam)" (Minhaajus-Sunnah 4/59-60)

    Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728AH) said: "The most deserving people of being the Firqat an-Najiyah (saved sect) is Ahlul-Hadeeth was-Sunnah who do not follow anyone with bigoted allegiance except the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam). [al-Fataawa 3/247]

    Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (d.751AH) said: "The Ahlul-Hadeeth are the helpers and chosen ones of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam)" (An-Nooniyyah p.251)

    Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (d.751AH) said: "Everyone knows that the Ahlul-Hadeeth are the most truthful of all the groups, as Ibnul-Mubaarak (d.181AH) said, 'I found the Religion with the Ahlul-Hadeeth, kalaam with the Mu'tazilah, the lie with the raafidah, the trick with the people of opinion" (Mukhtasar Sawaa iqul-Mursalah 2/359)

    Imaam Ibn Muflih (d.763AH) said: "Ahlul-Hadeeth are the saved sect, they are well established upon the truth" (Al-Intisaar li-As'haabil-Hadeeth p.53)

    Imaam Ibn Kathir (d.774AH) said concerning the verse: (And remember) the Day when We shall call together all human beings with their (respective) Imaam. So whosoever is given his record in his right hand, such will read their records, and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least" (Al-Isra 17:71). "Some of the Salaf said this is the greatest honor for the Ahlul-Hadeeth, because their leader is the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam)." [Tafsir Ibn Kathir 3/56]

    Imaam Ibn Rajab (d.795AH) said: "As for the Imaams and Fuqahaa of Ahlul-Hadeeth, then they follow the authentic hadeeth in the way that it was acted upon by the Companions and those after them or by a group from amongst them" (Fadl Ilm us-Salaf p.57)

    Imaam as-Safaareenee (d.1188AH) said: And we are not focusing on mentioning the virtues of the Ahlul-Hadeeth, for indeed their virtues are well known and their merits are many. So whoever belittles them, then he is despicable and lowly. And whoever hates them, then he is from the backward party of the Devil. [Lawaa'ihul-Anwaar 2/355]

    Imaam Ahmad ad-Dehlawee (d.1375AH) said: "Indeed all of the people of the countries that were conquered by the Companions were described with the name, Ahlul-Hadeeth" (Taareekh Ahlul-Hadeeth p.27)

    Imaam Ahmad ad-Dehlawee (d.1375AH) said: "The truth is with the Ahlul-Hadeeth, and they are the Saved Sect" (Taakeekh Ahlul-Hadeeth p.130)

    Imaam Ahmad ad-Dehlawee (d.1375AH) said: "It will not be hidden from the one who knows the Book that usage of the term Ahlus-Sunnah is not correct to be used for any of the current sects, except for the Ahlul-Hadeeth" (Taareekh Ahlul-Hadeeth p.145)

    Imaam Muhammad Nasir ud-Deen Al-Albaanee (d.1420AH) said: "Indeed, the explanation of these Imaams for the apparent Group and Saved sect being Ahlul-Hadeeth has become strange for some people" (As-Saheehah 1/543)

    Shaykh Rabee' Ibn Hadee al-Madkhali said: "Indeed, Allaah granted nobility to the Ahlul-Hadeeth and He honoured them with love, respect and allocation of importance for the purified Sunnah" (Makaanah Ahlul-Hadeeth p.14)


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    Imaam Abdul Qaadir al-Jeelaanee (d.561H) - rahimahullah - said: "As for al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) it is Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, and there is no name for Ahlus-Sunnah except one - and that is Ashaabul-Hadeeth". (Al-Ghuniyatut-Taalibeen p.212)


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    And Allaah Ta'ala knows best and with Him is the Success.

    May Allaah Ta'ala shower His peace, blessings and mercy upon our beloved Prophet Muhammad,
    his family and all of the believers until the day of standing.

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    Re: No Shia, No Sunni, No Brelvi, No wahabi...

    This whole thread and replies will tell you that its a dream to say sab sirf Muslim hain.

    I have so manythings to say but then again those retards will cry oh ADMIN mein lut gaya berbaad ho gaya tum admin ho ker ye keh rahe ho so I will leave it at that. Tum log kabhi qom nahi ban sakte pehle tum log punjabi, sindhi, balochi, mahajir they ab tum sunni, barelvi, deobandi, shia, ahle hadith or pata nahi kya kya ho.

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