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    Remains of Musharraf coming to PML-N



    If you remember this guy was CM Sindh during Mushy era for about 2 years... he is still with PML-Q




    ---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:22 PM ----------

    Shahbaz Sharif ab har kissi ko dana daal rha hai....



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    Re: Remains of Musharraf coming to PML-N

    Quote Originally Posted by imrankhan1984 View Post
    Everyone agrees that top leadership of PML-N and PPP is corrupt in every aspect...
    Bhai mere woh to corrupt hain lekin un ko jo replace kerna chahtey hein woh bi to farishtey nahi hein......
    Aur Parties 1 Man Show se nahi chaltein aik puri team hoti hai aur ager aik banda corrupt na bi ho aur baqi team mei 25 mei se 23 wohi old cunning & corrupt houn to teil lena geya inqilab aur change

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    Well If remember then Imran said many times that he would not take any corrupt & typical politicians in his party...
    Jahan tak mujhe yad parta hai Pakistan Ki Siyasat mei kuch bi harf e akhir nahi raha na hi koi Party apni kisi kahi hui baat pe qaim rahi..
    To App ke bataye huwey diff. se keya samja jaye ke PTI Ko Yeh masla nahi ke us mei aney wale corrupt hein ya nahi lekin woh us ko is tarah Justify kerna chah rahey hein ke kiunkey PML N refused to take them & now ready to take so we should take them too...??
    Meri raye mei to just aik hi diff hai ke PTI ko chance nahi mila aur baqi parties ko chance mila aur baqi to koi diff nahi
    PML N, PPP, PML Q supported dictators, so did Imran Khan too..
    PML N, PP, is accepting every one, so doing PTI too.
    Parties are like public property anyone can say i am going to support PTI or PML-N or PPP, can we say no u r not part of our party. The only difference will be proved when parties give tickets. I agree in Pakistan u can't do a neat politics but still u can give ur party tickets to ppl who are not corrupt.
    We can have difference of opinion against IK's decisions but still the party is much better than the current ones. I still support IK and as per Hassan Nisar if IK is only accepting clean ppl in his party then he should only ask clean ppl to vote for him and he will never get more than 500 votes.

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    Re: Remains of Musharraf coming to PML-N

    He just met shahbaz sharif yet. SMQ met nawaz sharif before joining PTI; Mehmood shareef met NS before joining PTI; Shafqat Mehmood met NS before joining PTI. so dont worry when he joined then u make another thread. by the way PTI claims change politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoToRi0uS View Post
    Bhai mere woh to corrupt hain lekin un ko jo replace kerna chahtey hein woh bi to farishtey nahi hein......
    Aur Parties 1 Man Show se nahi chaltein aik puri team hoti hai aur ager aik banda corrupt na bi ho aur baqi team mei 25 mei se 23 wohi old cunning & corrupt houn to teil lena geya inqilab aur change
    That culture comes after centuries of rigorous practice... its very unfair to expect a 15/16 year old party to change the whole scenario in first attempt. The leader should be up right and selfless, thats the first step.
    The right time to criticize PTI will come after they announce their candidates... before this we are just speculating...
    At this moment PTI needs numbers, once the candidates are announced then we can discuss freely on the selection.

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    Parties are like public property anyone can say i am going to support PTI or PML-N or PPP, can we say no u r not part of our party. The only difference will be proved when parties give tickets. I agree in Pakistan u can't do a neat politics but still u can give ur party tickets to ppl who are not corrupt.
    We can have difference of opinion against IK's decisions but still the party is much better than the current ones. I still support IK and as per Hassan Nisar if IK is only accepting clean ppl in his party then he should only ask clean ppl to vote for him and he will never get more than 500 votes.
    Agree that Parties are Public Property & any one can join them, then the same rule apply for PPP, PML N, PML Q, & every one should zip their lips unless party dont announce names of Ticket Holders... Am I right ???
    Aur amm mere app ke jese logoun ki support aur maani rakhti hai ( jesa PTI ke aik supporter ne uper admit kia ke PTI mei bi low rank worker ki wohi hesiat ya ehmiat hai jo dusri parties mei ) lekin ager aik former MPA, MNA ya City Nazim etc part join karta hai to woh Bhutey to beichne agey ga nahi woh to kuch na kuch de ke lene aye ga..
    Man liye aik min. k liye ke PTI is better than other parties, could you plz tell me ( coz u support PTI & you must know better who is who in PTI) who will be Interior Minister, Foreign Minister, Defense Minister IF PTI gona make a clean sweep ( mei IF use ker raha houn coz PTI mei bohat se IF & Butt hein )..
    PML N , PPP ka Plan samna nahi aya ke woh in crisis se kese nikaley gi mulk ko.. PTI ka keya koi plan samne aya ??
    PML N , PPP ka koi social health ka plan nahi aya.. PTI ka keya aa geya ??
    PPP, PML N ki Foreign Policy week hai, PTI ne keya apna koi plan diye ??
    Koi National agenda ??
    Any thing ??'


    And I don't have any problem & no one should have about your support or my support or XYZ's support for any part....

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanaafaq View Post
    He just met shahbaz sharif yet. SMQ met nawaz sharif before joining PTI; Mehmood shareef met NS before joining PTI; Shafqat Mehmood met NS before joining PTI. so dont worry when he joined then u make another thread. by the way PTI claims change politics
    Oh You remind me about Shafqat Mehmood, a feudal from Cheliyanwala...
    1 cousin in PML N ( Ch. Jaffar Iqbal & his wife too )
    an other cousin in PPP ( present chairman of PCB, Ch Zaka Ashraf )

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    That culture comes after centuries of rigorous practice... its very unfair to expect a 15/16 year old party to change the whole scenario in first attempt. The leader should be up right and selfless, thats the first step.
    The right time to criticize PTI will come after they announce their candidates... before this we are just speculating...
    At this moment PTI needs numbers, once the candidates are announced then we can discuss freely on the selection.
    So means we should zip our lips till the start of election process ???

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    So means we should zip our lips till the start of election process ???
    Till then we will have weak arguments...

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    The issue is PML-N ... they are ready to accept everyone... but they malign PTI and single out when it accepts such people...
    The post is for PML-N supporter, showing them the mirror and telling everyone what they are made off
    Now its the time for a reply to this line ke app ko single out kiun kia ja raha hai,,to mere bhai app ko single out is liye kia ja raha hai ke app aik CHANGE ka narra laga rahey hein jabkey baqi parties to hain hi sab typical full of typical politicians..To Jab app change ka narra lagate hein to phir kuch diff hona chahiye na sab se..
    aur phir app keh rahey hein ke app bi same hi hain baqi parties ke jese to phir change ke liye to app nahi aa rahey app to kursi k liye aa rahey hein,, vey simple & straight...

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    Till then we will have weak arguments...
    Then we should not argue with weak arguments.
    And no other party follower should discuss PTI & vice versa

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    Agree that Parties are Public Property & any one can join them, then the same rule apply for PPP, PML N, PML Q, & every one should zip their lips unless party dont announce names of Ticket Holders... Am I right ???
    People already know the names of their 'ticket holders' !!!!!!


    Aur amm mere app ke jese logoun ki support aur maani rakhti hai ( jesa PTI ke aik supporter ne uper admit kia ke PTI mei bi low rank worker ki wohi hesiat ya ehmiat hai jo dusri parties mei ) lekin ager aik former MPA, MNA ya City Nazim etc part join karta hai to woh Bhutey to beichne agey ga nahi woh to kuch na kuch de ke lene aye ga.

    My dear decision making is always done at the top level. That is whats called hierarchy and even democracy works on the principle that people forgo their right to make decisions to the representatives they chose otherwise it will be like the initial athenian democracy.

    Man liye aik min. k liye ke PTI is better than other parties, could you plz tell me ( coz u support PTI & you must know better who is who in PTI) who will be Interior Minister, Foreign Minister, Defense Minister IF PTI gona make a clean sweep ( mei IF use ker raha houn coz PTI mei bohat se IF & Butt hein )..

    What does this question mean and how is it relevant. I know that Britian has this tradition of shadow government but their are many established democracies with no such tradition. I am for this but right now we are in the very embryonic stages of democracy which needs to be nurtured.

    PML N , PPP ka Plan samna nahi aya ke woh in crisis se kese nikaley gi mulk ko.. PTI ka keya koi plan samne aya ??
    Plan ? What does this plan mean ? Political parties have policies - Modern state system comes with an elaborate mechanism which consists of professionals to implement those policy decisions.

    PML N , PPP ka koi social health ka plan nahi aya.. PTI ka keya aa geya ??

    This is the first time I have come across this terminology - social health. Googling told me that it has something to do with the ability of the people to interact in social settings - I fail to understand what does it have to do with political parties ?

    PPP, PML N ki Foreign Policy week hai, PTI ne keya apna koi plan diye ??

    Foreign policy week hey kia matlab ?

    Koi National agenda ??

    What is agenda. Could you please elaborate with examples.

    Any thing ??'
    Anything ?


    And I don't have any problem & no one should have about your support or my support or XYZ's support for any part

    Yes there is a problem because it is something which affects the life of 180 million people of our country.

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    Then we should not argue with weak arguments.
    And no other party follower should discuss PTI & vice versa

    But let there be some fun from time to time.... :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoToRi0uS View Post
    Agree that Parties are Public Property & any one can join them, then the same rule apply for PPP, PML N, PML Q, & every one should zip their lips unless party dont announce names of Ticket Holders... Am I right ???
    Aur amm mere app ke jese logoun ki support aur maani rakhti hai ( jesa PTI ke aik supporter ne uper admit kia ke PTI mei bi low rank worker ki wohi hesiat ya ehmiat hai jo dusri parties mei ) lekin ager aik former MPA, MNA ya City Nazim etc part join karta hai to woh Bhutey to beichne agey ga nahi woh to kuch na kuch de ke lene aye ga..
    Man liye aik min. k liye ke PTI is better than other parties, could you plz tell me ( coz u support PTI & you must know better who is who in PTI) who will be Interior Minister, Foreign Minister, Defense Minister IF PTI gona make a clean sweep ( mei IF use ker raha houn coz PTI mei bohat se IF & Butt hein )..
    PML N , PPP ka Plan samna nahi aya ke woh in crisis se kese nikaley gi mulk ko.. PTI ka keya koi plan samne aya ??
    PML N , PPP ka koi social health ka plan nahi aya.. PTI ka keya aa geya ??
    PPP, PML N ki Foreign Policy week hai, PTI ne keya apna koi plan diye ??
    Koi National agenda ??
    Any thing ??'


    And I don't have any problem & no one should have about your support or my support or XYZ's support for any part....


    I don't have any problem with ppl joining PML-N or PPP and next is ur question about low worker and high rank ppl. Ofcouse there is difference between worker and office holder but the core is that once in power we should start making life better for poor ppl. Designated person like PTI punjab chairman and a normal worker are two different ppl with two different responsibilities.

    Ok coming to the team PTI have ppl who can easily handle these ministeries. As an example Dr. Arif Alvi was head of dental association of world. Mahmood-ur-Rasheed was heading a multinational etc. U can check the list of spokesperson on this link. Keep in mind if Abdul Rehman Malik an SHO from Sialkot can become the interior minister of Pakistan then our team is much better.
    Spokespersons

    About Plans,
    We have a plan for tax collection, IK is not corrupt so he will never compromise on tax collection.
    He has plan to disengage from the war of terror, once we are out of it and we have enough tax collection we can have a free foreign policy.
    Once we are out of this American war their will be no Jihad against our Army and there will be not blasts in pakistan and the security condition will become under control. Once this fear is over their will be new investment in the market which will generate jobs and extra revenue.
    We have comprehensive plans how to tackle the situation in pakistan just make dua ALLAH (SW) give us a chance.

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    From "The Art of War"

    The general who thoroughly understands the advantages that accompany variation of tactics knows how to handle his troops.

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    The general who does not understand these, may be well acquainted with the configuration of the country, yet he will not be able to turn his knowledge to practical account.


    Literally, "get the advantage of the ground," which means not only securing good positions, but availing oneself of natural advantages in every possible way. Chang Yu says: "Every kind of ground is characterized by certain natural features, and also gives scope for a certain variability of plan. How it is possible to turn these natural features to account unless topographical knowledge is supplemented by versatility of mind?"
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    So, the student of war who is unversed in the art of war of varying his plans, even though he be acquainted with the Five Advantages, will fail to make the best use of his men.



    Chia Lin tells us that these imply five obvious and generally advantageous lines of action, namely: "if a certain road is short, it must be followed; if an army is isolated, it must be attacked; if a town is in a parlous condition, it must be besieged; if a position can be stormed, it must be attempted; and if consistent with military operations, the ruler's commands must be obeyed." But there are circumstances which sometimes forbid a general to use these advantages. For instance, "a certain road may be the shortest way for him, but if he knows that it abounds in natural obstacles, or that the enemy has laid an ambush on it, he will not follow that road. A hostile force may be open to attack, but if he knows that it is hard-pressed and likely to fight with desperation, he will refrain from striking," and so on.
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    Hence in the wise leader's plans, considerations of advantage and of disadvantage will be blended together.



    "Whether in an advantageous position or a disadvantageous one," says Ts`ao Kung, "the opposite state should be always present to your mind."
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    If our expectation of advantage be tempered in this way, we may succeed in accomplishing the essential part of our schemes.


    Tu Mu says: "If we wish to wrest an advantage from the enemy, we must not fix our minds on that alone, but allow for the possibility of the enemy also doing some harm to us, and let this enter as a factor into our calculations."

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    If, on the other hand, in the midst of difficulties we are always ready to seize an advantage, we may extricate ourselves from misfortune.



    Tu Mu says: "If I wish to extricate myself from a dangerous position, I must consider not only the enemy's ability to injure me, but also my own ability to gain an advantage over the enemy. If in my counsels these two considerations are properly blended, I shall succeed in liberating myself.... For instance; if I am surrounded by the enemy and only think of effecting an escape, the nervelessness of my policy will incite my adversary to pursue and crush me; it would be far better to encourage my men to deliver a bold counter-attack, and use the advantage thus gained to free myself from the enemy's toils." See the story of Ts`ao Ts`ao, VII. ss. 35, note.

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    Reduce the hostile chiefs by inflicting damage on them;



    Chia Lin enumerates several ways of inflicting this injury, some of which would only occur to the Oriental mind:—"Entice away the enemy's best and wisest men, so that he may be left without counselors. Introduce traitors into his country, that the government policy may be rendered futile. Foment intrigue and deceit, and thus sow dissension between the ruler and his ministers. By means of every artful contrivance, cause deterioration amongst his men and waste of his treasure. Corrupt his morals by insidious gifts leading him into excess. Disturb and unsettle his mind by presenting him with lovely women." Chang Yu (after Wang Hsi) makes a different interpretation of Sun Tzu here: "Get the enemy into a position where he must suffer injury, and he will submit of his own accord."


    Do you get it?

    Having said that, Imran should also be aware that the enemy might also be doing the same.


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    But let there be some fun from time to time.... :D
    So its mean no body needs to take you serious, you are here just for fun & your every action goes just for fun..
    Bravo...
    An example for all PTI Followers..!! Atleast you admit that you r a non serious..!!

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    So its mean no body needs to take you serious, you are here just for fun & your every action goes just for fun..
    Bravo...
    An example for all PTI Followers..!! Atleast you admit that you r a non serious..!!

    You are thinking ahead of yourself and without reading my complete sentence.... I said 'from time to time...'

    and I did NOT write that I'm here just for fun and my every action is just for fun... you are using your logic in poor way...

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