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    Are we still in 1971???

    I was listening BBC Sairbeen today and there was a clip about Hamood-ul-Rehman commission according to which when General Niazi was asked why did he surrendered his arms in East Pakistan while UN general assembly was in session and if they had held for one day with 26000 army men in Dhakka while only few thousand Indians were outside Dhakka. His answer was that general Jacob held his family on gun point. My question is when it comes to their families they dont give a flying crap to country nation or Islam but when they talk about throwing our kids in lion's den its like they are talking about insects. Look at Hameed Gul! How come his son never went to any xyz so called jihad? Where were Qazi kids in Afghan or Kashmir or any thekedari jihad?

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    I was listening BBC Sairbeen today and there was a clip about Hamood-ul-Rehman commission according to which when General Niazi was asked why did he surrendered his arms in East Pakistan while UN general assembly was in session and if they had held for one day with 26000 army men in Dhakka while only few thousand Indians were outside Dhakka. His answer was that general Jacob held his family on gun point. My question is when it comes to their families they dont give a flying crap to country nation or Islam but when they talk about throwing our kids in lion's den its like they are talking about insects. Look at Hameed Gul! How come his son never went to any xyz so called jihad? Where were Qazi kids in Afghan or Kashmir or any thekedari jihad?
    Well lets us discuss point by point

    1-Kia aap jihad ka taayun kisi leader kay kehnay per kartay hain ya ALLAH aur uskay Rasool SAW k kehnay per?????

    agar kisi leader k kehnay per kartay hain tou yes u should ask him to go first alongwith his family...

    aur

    agar ALLAH aur Rasool SAW k ahkaam k mutabiq Jihad ka wajoob/farziyat /farz e ain hona sabit ho jata hay tou aap per lazim hay k u should go..ALLAH will never ask u about any leader ..he will ask about urself

    ---------- Post added at 09:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 PM ----------

    2ndly---if u know Islami Jamiat TALABA participated alongwith Pak army against mukti bahni and indian army by the name of ALBADAR...

    Please note


    they were Bengalies who fought for united PAKISTANI

    THEY WERE NOT SENT FROM WEST PAKISTAN


    They never surrendered.
    ..10.000 workers of jamaat and jamiat were martyred in a month..and still they are facing charges for supporting Pakistan at that moment

    ---------- Post added at 09:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

    3rdly---regarding jamaat e Islami

    Regarding Jihad,

    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD

    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated

    Son of Liaqat Baloch Sb participated

    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.

    anwar niazi sahib sec info hain
    un ka beta

    aur markaz se le kr dist level ki qyadat k betay shaheed huwe hain


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    4thly----Hameed Gul himself went to Afghanistan many times..and his two sons oung Muhammad Omer Gul and Muhammad Abdullah Gul also went

    ---as i told,anybody who goes on Jiahd goes by understanding its farziyat by ALLAH and Rasool SAW's orders..not by orders of Qazi sb or Syed Munawar Hasan sb....

    --and nobody was ever fored to go there by jamaat

    ---and most of all, yesterday i had same discussion with columbus, tell me Quran men ALLAH nay yeh kahan likha hay k judge anybody from his family's actions?????

    and if u give this arugument of judging a person based on actions of his family, pleaser explian the following situatiuos too

    --the uncle of Prophet SAW abulahab was kafir....so Prophet SAW should not ahve preached until he had become Muslim as acording to ur saying,pehlay apna ghar thek krna chahaeay????

    --the son of Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas R.A. (one of ashra mubashrah) was in the army who fought against Hazrat Hussain R.A.???

    --the son of Hazrat Umar Farooq R.A. committed a sin for which punsihment was given and he passed aay durng punishemnt???


    So dear please dont make ur own rules to analyse someone....We have to obey ALLAH and His Rasool SAW , chahay Quran aur Sunnat ka moaqif Qazi Sb kahain ya koi aur..and stop basing actions of other family members to judge any person


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    i agree to ur one point...
    Surrender is no option in battle field for a Muslim....either live a ghazi or die a shaheed

    if A.K. Niazai surrenderd by the reason u told, he shoudl have been hanged....but now he passed away..and ALLAH is the best JUDGE

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    Nice answer.
    There was son of Noh (PBH)
    There was wife of many Prophets who were not following Allah's straight path.
    This is all because there is no Islamic education in Pakistan. Now a days its all from secular News papers and TV channels, these Pakistani get their Islamic knowledge. Majority (Specially the most vocal) just read Arabic Quran some time in "Quran Kawani" after some body their close dies and that is also without meanings. So there is no way they can reach that degree of analysis to understand the subject. OH they are very quick to send a Allah's "Lanat" to every one free of charge.

    سُوۡرَةُ هُود

    وَهِىَ تَجۡرِى بِهِمۡ فِى مَوۡجٍ۬ كَٱلۡجِبَالِ وَنَادَىٰ نُوحٌ ٱبۡنَهُ ۥ وَڪَانَ فِى مَعۡزِلٍ۬ يَـٰبُنَىَّ ٱرۡڪَب مَّعَنَا وَلَا تَكُن مَّعَ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٤٢) قَالَ سَـَٔاوِىٓ إِلَىٰ جَبَلٍ۬ يَعۡصِمُنِى مِنَ ٱلۡمَآءِ*ۚ قَالَ لَا عَاصِمَ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ مِنۡ أَمۡرِ ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا مَن رَّحِمَ*ۚ وَحَالَ بَيۡنَہُمَا ٱلۡمَوۡجُ فَكَانَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُغۡرَقِينَ (٤٣)
    سورة هُود
    اور وہ ان کو لے کر (طوفان کی) لہروں میں چلنے لگی۔ (لہریں کیا تھیں) گویا پہاڑ (تھے) اس وقت نوح نے اپنے بیٹے کو کہ جو (کشتی سے) الگ تھا، پکارا کہ بیٹا ہمارے ساتھ سوار ہوجا اور کافروں میں شامل نہ ہو (۴۲) اس نے کہا کہ میں (ابھی) پہاڑ سے جا لگوں گا، وہ مجھے پانی سے بچالے گا۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ آج خدا کے عذاب سے کوئی بچانے والا نہیں (اور نہ کوئی بچ سکتا ہے) مگر جس پر خدا رحم کرے۔ اتنے میں دونوں کے درمیان لہر آحائل ہوئی اور وہ ڈوب کر رہ گیا (۴۳)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamamuslim View Post
    Well lets us discuss point by point

    1-Kia aap jihad ka taayun kisi leader kay kehnay per kartay hain ya ALLAH aur uskay Rasool SAW k kehnay per?????

    agar kisi leader k kehnay per kartay hain tou yes u should ask him to go first alongwith his family...

    aur

    agar ALLAH aur Rasool SAW k ahkaam k mutabiq Jihad ka wajoob/farziyat /farz e ain hona sabit ho jata hay tou aap per lazim hay k u should go..ALLAH will never ask u about any leader ..he will ask about urself

    ---------- Post added at 09:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 PM ----------

    2ndly---if u know Islami Jamiat TALABA participated alongwith Pak army against mukti bahni and indian army by the name of ALBADAR...

    Please note


    they were Bengalies who fought for united PAKISTANI

    THEY WERE NOT SENT FROM WEST PAKISTAN


    They never surrendered.
    ..10.000 workers of jamaat and jamiat were martyred in a month..and still they are facing charges for supporting Pakistan at that moment

    ---------- Post added at 09:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

    3rdly---regarding jamaat e Islami

    Regarding Jihad,

    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD

    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated

    Son of Liaqat Baloch Sb participated

    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.

    anwar niazi sahib sec info hain
    un ka beta

    aur markaz se le kr dist level ki qyadat k betay shaheed huwe hain


    ---------- Post added at 10:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 PM ----------

    4thly----Hameed Gul himself went to Afghanistan many times..and his two sons oung Muhammad Omer Gul and Muhammad Abdullah Gul also went

    ---as i told,anybody who goes on Jiahd goes by understanding its farziyat by ALLAH and Rasool SAW's orders..not by orders of Qazi sb or Syed Munawar Hasan sb....

    --and nobody was ever fored to go there by jamaat

    ---and most of all, yesterday i had same discussion with columbus, tell me Quran men ALLAH nay yeh kahan likha hay k judge anybody from his family's actions?????

    and if u give this arugument of judging a person based on actions of his family, pleaser explian the following situatiuos too

    --the uncle of Prophet SAW abulahab was kafir....so Prophet SAW should not ahve preached until he had become Muslim as acording to ur saying,pehlay apna ghar thek krna chahaeay????

    --the son of Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas R.A. (one of ashra mubashrah) was in the army who fought against Hazrat Hussain R.A.???

    --the son of Hazrat Umar Farooq R.A. committed a sin for which punsihment was given and he passed aay durng punishemnt???


    So dear please dont make ur own rules to analyse someone....We have to obey ALLAH and His Rasool SAW , chahay Quran aur Sunnat ka moaqif Qazi Sb kahain ya koi aur..and stop basing actions of other family members to judge any person


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    i agree to ur one point...
    Surrender is no option in battle field for a Muslim....either live a ghazi or die a shaheed

    if A.K. Niazai surrenderd by the reason u told, he shoudl have been hanged....but now he passed away..and ALLAH is the best JUDGE

    1) kia 'JIHAD' ka matlab sirf Askari(hathyaar) Muzahamat ya Jang hota hay.
    2) 65' aur 75' ki Jang ko Jihad kiun nahi kaha gaya.

    Meri nazar mein aik riyasat kay hotey huay yeh riyasat kay hukumraan ka kaam hay kay jang ka ailaan karay, koi infiraadi groh ko yeh haq hasil nahi hay kay Jang(askari muzahamat) shru karday, kiunkay mein samajhta hun aisa karna Jihad kay bajaye Fasad ka baais hoga jinsay sirf Fasaadi aur khaarji fitnay hi paida hongay.(Allah aur rasool ki Ataat kay baad Ullul-Amr ki ataat karnay ka hukm) jokay meri nazar mein aik ijtamayie nazam-o-zabt ka taqaza karta hay balkay paband bhi karta hay)
    Jahan tak jamat islami ka 71' mein kirdaar ka taluq hay tau mein samjhta hun unhon nay apnay hum mazhab aur hum aqeedah bengali bahiyon ka qatal-e-aam kya saath mein bengali bhaiyun nay bhi ghair-bengaliyon ka qatal kya.
    For your correction today jamat-e-islami in Bengladesh is not facing charges for supporting Pakistan, they are facing charges for mass killing of bengalis in 71'.
    About A.K. Niyazi, you said he passed away..and Allah is the best judge, means if he would alive then nauzibillah Allah was not the best Judge. It is not just about A.K. Niyazi, every person who has the decision and policy making authority at that time should face a fair trial for that incidence of 71'
    Now the word punishment comes with either Sin or Crime(wrong doing), do we believe was there any wrong doing or sin committed by us during 71', if your answer is 'yes' then where is the punishment because after all God commanded us to make a just decision according to Adal and Insaaf
    And if your answer is 'no' then please declare that officially no crime or sin was done so there will be no punishment.

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    1) kia 'JIHAD' ka matlab sirf Askari(hathyaar) Muzahamat ya Jang hota hay.
    2) 65' aur 75' ki Jang ko Jihad kiun nahi kaha gaya.

    Meri nazar mein aik riyasat kay hotey huay yeh riyasat kay hukumraan ka kaam hay kay jang ka ailaan karay, koi infiraadi groh ko yeh haq hasil nahi hay kay Jang(askari muzahamat) shru karday, kiunkay mein samajhta hun aisa karna Jihad kay bajaye Fasad ka baais hoga jinsay sirf Fasaadi aur khaarji fitnay hi paida hongay.(Allah aur rasool ki Ataat kay baad Ullul-Amr ki ataat karnay ka hukm) jokay meri nazar mein aik ijtamayie nazam-o-zabt ka taqaza karta hay balkay paband bhi karta hay)
    Jahan tak jamat islami ka 71' mein kirdaar ka taluq hay tau mein samjhta hun unhon nay apnay hum mazhab aur hum aqeedah bengali bahiyon ka qatal-e-aam kya saath mein bengali bhaiyun nay bhi ghair-bengaliyon ka qatal kya.
    For your correction today jamat-e-islami in Bengladesh is not facing charges for supporting Pakistan, they are facing charges for mass killing of bengalis in 71'.
    About A.K. Niyazi, you said he passed away..and Allah is the best judge, means if he would alive then nauzibillah Allah was not the best Judge. It is not just about A.K. Niyazi, every person who has the decision and policy making authority at that time should face a fair trial for that incidence of 71'
    Now the word punishment comes with either Sin or Crime(wrong doing), do we believe was there any wrong doing or sin committed by us during 71', if your answer is 'yes' then where is the punishment because after all God commanded us to make a just decision according to Adal and Insaaf
    And if your answer is 'no' then please declare that officially no crime or sin was done so there will be no punishment.
    afghan jihad and 1971 war was jihad when india attacked alongwith mukti bahni...and it was announced by state

    where u blaming me MuazALLAH that ALLAH not best judge,it shows ur mentality how low u can go just to oppose JI

    Regarding for what they are facing charges,visit

    A War Crimes Court and a Travesty of Justice- An article from International Herald Tribune


    A War Crimes Court and a Travesty of Justice - NYTimes.com


    A War Crimes Court and a Travesty of Justice
    By TOM FELIX JOEHNK




    November 29, 2011, 2:11 am



    DHAKA, Bangladesh
    — On the fourth floor of a nondescript pale-blue government building in Old Dhaka, clerks are stapling together copies of depositions from witnesses to the crimes committed during Bangladesh’s 1971 war of secession from Pakistan — a conflict that may have killed up to three million people, according to the Bangladeshi government. Above them on the wall is a map showing the 11 sectors of what was then called East Pakistan.
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    Delwar Hossain Sayedee, a leading cleric of Bangladesh’s Islamist party, Jamaat-e-Islami, at the International Crimes Tribunal in Dhaka in November.
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    In the office next door sits Abdul Hannan Khan, the chief investigator for the International Crimes Tribunal in Bangladesh, a court set up by the Bangladeshi government in March 2010 to “try and punish any individual or group of individuals, or any member of any armed, defence or auxiliary forces, irrespective of his nationality” who committed crimes against humanity, genocide, and war crimes, among other things, in 1971. Khan, a former police inspector general, is an affable man, in control and in no rush, who seems remarkably uninterested in politics. He says that his agency has finished investigating seven people. On Nov. 20th, the first of them, Delwar Hossain Sayedee, a leader of Jamaat-e-Islami, an Islamist party opposed to Bangladesh’s independence, was charged with a slew of crimes. He will soon be joined in the dock by nearly the entire Jamaat leadership, including its former chief, the 89-year old Ghulam Azam, and two prominent members of the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP).


    No trial has yet taken place, but it already seems clear that the International Crimes Tribunal is an international tribunal in name only. Its exclusive focus on the Bangladeshis who bloodied their hands assisting the main perpetrators — the Pakistani military — makes the court look like an government appendage eager to settle a domestic score. Trying and punishing members of the former Pakistani Army is too sensitive politically for the current Bangladeshi government to even contemplate: it could cause a complete breakdown in relations with Pakistan. It would also be impractical, because there is no extradition treaty between Bangladesh and Pakistan.

    More arrests are sure to follow. Khan is investigating 10 other suspected collaborators, including another six members of the Jamaat and two of the BNP. There is also Ashrafuzzaman Khan, an American, and Moinuddin Chowdhury, a British citizen, both alleged leaders of the pro-army paramilitary body called Al Badr, which massacred Bengali intellectuals in December 1971. Khan says that Khan lives in New York and Chowdhury in “UK, London.” Their being far away might seem like a serious obstacle, but according to one political analyst (who wishes not to be identified), even those cases will be a “slam dunk” because the two men will probably be tried — and convicted — in absentia.

    The tribunal is shaping up to be a travesty of justice. The government seems to be using the court simply to rubberstamp a predetermination that the accused are guilty. For most Bangladeshis, that truth has been established since 1995, when a self-appointed panel of eminent citizens, headed by the current justice minister, compiled “evidence” of war crimes against 16 individuals, including the seven men currently awaiting trial before the International Crimes Tribunal. The Jamaat members’ defense team has asked one of the judges to step down because he sat on the 1995 panel. If, as is nonetheless expected, nearly the entire leadership of the Jamaat is convicted and hanged within two years, the Bangladeshi opposition will be conveniently weakened in time for the next parliamentary election in 2013.


    Such a nakedly partisan exercise of justice would make it much harder for an accurate history of Bangladesh’s birth to ever be written.

    According to M. A. Hasan, of the War Crimes Fact Finding Committee, an independent body investigating the 1971 massacres, 95 percent of the atrocities were committed by Pakistani soldiers who resisted secession — and were under orders to kill to prevent it — on the theory that the Islamic unity of the two wings of Pakistan must not be compromised.

    Yet none of them will be in court. Nor will any member of the pro-independence militias be charged for massacring tens of thousands of Bihari migrants who sympathized with Pakistan.

    The current list of accused looks so conveniently expedient for the Awami League of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina that for the sake of appearance alone Hasina might have better served herself, and Bangladesh, by making a greater show of endorsing an independent war crimes trial subject to international standards. The defense teams do count some high-caliber international lawyers, but the government has effectively barred them from being present in court by making it hard for them to even get into the country.

    In the midst of all the politicking, Hasan has somehow managed to adopt an impartial position. A few years back, he submitted to the government a list of 1,775 suspected war criminals, including the accused currently on trial but also collaborators from the Awami League’s coalition partners and members of the former Pakistani military. At the end of a visit to his office last Tuesday, during which he bemoaned continued impunity, Hasan produced what he called a “genocide map” of Dhaka. It showed 48 mass graves, with latitudes and longitudes.

    Tom Felix Joehnk is a journalist in Bangkok.

    ---------- Post added at 10:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 PM ----------

    In Bangladesh: Reconciliation or Revenge?
    By JOHN CAMMEGH



    Over the last 20 years, international criminal justice has developed rapidly, and most people see this as a change for the better. Thanks to the labors, however imperfect, of the International Criminal Court in The Hague, and of ad-hoc tribunals from Sierra Leone to Cambodia, it has been established that politicians and warlords who commit terrible crimes against the vulnerable can no longer count on impunity.

    But a trial now starting in Bangladesh risks making a mockery of that principle. Indeed, it serves as a terrible warning of the way in which the ideals of universal justice and accountability can be abused. Facing ill-defined charges of crimes against humanity, which carry the death penalty, are five elderly men who lead the country’s Islamist party, Jamaat-e-Islami. (A sixth defendant is a central figure in the Bangladesh National Party, an erstwhile political ally of Jamaat.)

    The charges arise from the civil war of 1971 in which the former East Pakistan gained independence as Bangladesh: a savage nine-month conflict in which hundreds of thousands of people died. It is widely accepted that military forces under the command of West Pakistan committed brutal acts of ethnic cleansing, directed at Hindus in particular.

    But that does not, of course, prove the guilt of a political party, like Jamaat, which opposed independence. To make a considered moral judgement on a conflict that took place 40 years ago, a scrupulously impartial investigation would be needed.

    Sadly, the current trial promises to be nothing of the kind. It pretends to be applying universal principles — that is implicit in the name of the court, the Bangladesh International Crimes Tribunal — but in contrast with other recent ad-hoc tribunals, there is no external input, because none has been allowed.

    I was one of three British lawyers whose help was sought by the local defense team. I was retained on behalf of Delwar Hossain Sayedee, Jamaat’s leading cleric, who goes on trial for his life on Sunday. Although I managed to pay one visit to Dhaka last March, where I was tailed by security operatives, neither I nor any other British lawyer has been allowed to participate in the trial or enter Bangladesh while it is happening.

    But from any vantage point, certain dire features of the proceedings are clear.

    The trial is being held under a revived version of the country’s International Crimes (Tribunals) Act of 1973, which was initially presented as South Asia’s answer to the Nuremberg trials — only to be set aside in favor of a general amnesty for all participants in the conflict. In its original form, the 1973 act falls far short of international standards. Government investigators have wide-ranging rights to detain and question, suspects lack the usual rights to information and legal advice.

    The 1973 act has recently been amended in ways that make matters worse.


    Sayedee’s treatment speaks for itself.


    When he was first questioned, his attending lawyer was forced to “observe” from a room where he could neither see nor hear anything. The questioners regularly broke off their work to inform journalists of the suspect’s supposed “confessions” which were duly sensationalized in the press.

    When Sayedee was eventually charged, he was again denied access to a lawyer
    and forced to enter immediate pleas to a series of grave accusations with little precision over place or time. The 1973 act then allows just three weeks, an absurdly short time, for the defense to prepare its case.

    In recent days there have been disturbing reports of defense lawyers and witnesses being harassed. As Human Rights Watch has disclosed, one of Sayedee’s main lawyers received a warning to stay away from work, and was told that he might be arrested. Another prominent lawyer and Jamaat supporter faces an arrest warrant in connection with riots in Dhaka in September, even though he was in Europe at the time. Further ominous developments, cited by Human Rights Watch, include the arrest of one key defense witness and the preparation of criminal charges against nine more.

    The rules on what sort of evidence is permissible, as laid down by the 1973 act, are at variance with international norms, and with Bangladeshi jurisprudence. Media reports, however biased, are explicitly admitted, with no forensic scrutiny. In the latest alarming development, the court has rejected a petition of recusal against its own chairman, who in 1993 was involved in a contentious enquiry into Jamaat’s alleged liability for atrocities.

    The Bangladesh government has made some extravagant claims on behalf of the trial. Kamrul Islam, the state minister for law, said in October that the tribunal would be “exemplary for the world community ... working with full independence and complete neutrality.” A fair trial would indeed have been a landmark: the court could have set an example to the developing world, showing how to end impunity while also cementing reconciliation.

    But the court prosecutor, Rana Dasgupta, seems not to anticipate any real deliberation by the court. “One can say that 2012 is the year of the verdict of the war crimes trial and 2013 the year of verdict execution,” he has ominously predicted. If he is proved right, the result will smack not of reconciliation but revenge.
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    John Cammegh is a barrister in chambers at 9 Bedford Row, London. He acted as lead defense counsel for Augustine Gbao, overall security commander of the RUF rebel army, at his war crimes trial at the Special Court of Sierra Leone from 2004 to 2006.

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    Thats shows your mentality my dear if you have read it with proper attention then you would have not come to this remark, don't try to intreprate on your assumption, by the name mukti bahini you think it is Hindu base this is Bengali term means 'liberation friends', majority of bengalies got massacred were muslim, according to Jamat philosphy in Islam there is no statehood all muslims are one nation then if you say Jamat were fighting to save Pakistan then it was against Jamat idealogy because in doing so they have not only killed there fellow muslim brothers but have in fact killed their own idealogy

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    Shah jee aj tau ap nay dil tarpanay wali post ki................................ 31 saal baad bhi hum aj iss FAUJ k he ghulam hain jis k hath say iss mulk siwaey nuqsan k koch hasil nahi howa.

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    Well lets us discuss point by point

    1-Kia aap jihad ka taayun kisi leader kay kehnay per kartay hain ya ALLAH aur uskay Rasool SAW k kehnay per?????

    kyu jee b kiya saray mujaheedeen pay wahi utarna shuroo ho gai hay? Aur yeh aap kay Maudoodi sahib nay jo Kashmir kay jihaad ki nufi ki thi kay jub tuk Pakistan ki government xyz nahi kurti yeh jihaad nahi ho sakta to kiya woh Allah aur us kay Rasool ki nufi thi? Agar nahi thi to Afghanistan may jo jihaad hua woh kaisay jihaad tha? Kiya Russia kay saath saray taulukaat khatam ho gaey thay Pakistan kay?
    Aur haa in logo ki naseehat in logo ki apni families pay kyu nahi asar kurti ???


    agar kisi leader k kehnay per kartay hain tou yes u should ask him to go first alongwith his family...

    aur

    agar ALLAH aur Rasool SAW k ahkaam k mutabiq Jihad ka wajoob/farziyat /farz e ain hona sabit ho jata hay tou aap per lazim hay k u should go..ALLAH will never ask u about any leader ..he will ask about urself

    ---------- Post added at 09:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 PM ----------

    2ndly---if u know Islami Jamiat TALABA participated alongwith Pak army against mukti bahni and indian army by the name of ALBADAR...

    Please note


    they were Bengalies who fought for united PAKISTANI

    THEY WERE NOT SENT FROM WEST PAKISTAN


    kiya ajab itefaaq tha kay woh Bihaari Bangali thay. Kher manay to sahih kay us qatal-e-aam may aap shamil thay...........

    They never surrendered.
    ..10.000 workers of jamaat and jamiat were martyred in a month..and still they are facing charges for supporting Pakistan at that moment




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    3rdly---regarding jamaat e Islami

    Regarding Jihad,

    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD And his son participated in USA educational jihaad??? BTW I was told that even one of his son went for "JIHAD" in Kashmir lolz

    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated Hamesha say ghazi hi rahay hay JI walay???

    Son of Liaqat Baloch Sb participated

    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan. Who is he???

    anwar niazi sahib sec info hain
    un ka beta

    aur markaz se le kr dist level ki qyadat k betay shaheed huwe hain


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    4thly----Hameed Gul himself went to Afghanistan many times..and his two sons oung Muhammad Omer Gul and Muhammad Abdullah Gul also went For what? enjoy the scenery?

    ---as i told,anybody who goes on Jiahd goes by understanding its farziyat by ALLAH and Rasool SAW's orders..not by orders of Qazi sb or Syed Munawar Hasan sb....

    --and nobody was ever fored to go there by jamaat

    ---and most of all, yesterday i had same discussion with columbus, tell me Quran men ALLAH nay yeh kahan likha hay k judge anybody from his family's actions????? Nice answer... Agar ameer ka hukam ho to aap log suar ko bhi zam zam may dho kur halal karwa do

    and if u give this arugument of judging a person based on actions of his family, pleaser explian the following situatiuos too

    --the uncle of Prophet SAW abulahab was kafir....so Prophet SAW should not ahve preached until he had become Muslim as acording to ur saying,pehlay apna ghar thek krna chahaeay????

    Like I said before Zam Zam .... Waisay Prohet Musatafa (SAWW) was not getting money from Sheikhain and ISI

    --the son of Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas R.A. (one of ashra mubashrah) was in the army who fought against Hazrat Hussain R.A.???

    --the son of Hazrat Umar Farooq R.A. committed a sin for which punsihment was given and he passed aay durng punishemnt???


    So dear please dont make ur own rules to analyse someone....We have to obey ALLAH and His Rasool SAW , chahay Quran aur Sunnat ka moaqif Qazi Sb kahain ya koi aur..and stop basing actions of other family members to judge any person


    ----------------
    i agree to ur one point...
    Surrender is no option in battle field for a Muslim....either live a ghazi or die a shaheed

    What about Ghazwa-e-Uhad???

    if A.K. Niazai surrenderd by the reason u told, he shoudl have been hanged....but now he passed away..and ALLAH is the best JUDGE

    Agar ameer ka hukam ho to aap log suar ko bhi zam zam may dho kur halal karwa do

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    Shah jee aj tau ap nay dil tarpanay wali post ki................................ 31 saal baad bhi hum aj iss FAUJ k he ghulam hain jis k hath say iss mulk siwaey nuqsan k koch hasil nahi howa.
    Bhai meray kisi mai kay laal may jurat hi nahi Pakistan may kay in kay khilaaf choo bhi kur sakay. Chahay woh BB ho jo lashay uthati uthati khood hi laash bun gai yar phir NS jo dur budar ho kur bhi ishi ataar kay londay ko zindaabaad keh raha hay

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    Agar ameer ka hukam ho to aap log suar ko bhi zam zam may dho kur halal karwa do

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    Bhai meray kisi mai kay laal may jurat hi nahi Pakistan may kay in kay khilaaf choo bhi kur sakay. Chahay woh BB ho jo lashay uthati uthati khood hi laash bun gai yar phir NS jo dur budar ho kur bhi ishi ataar kay londay ko zindaabaad keh raha hay
    Apart from whatever u said....just tell me one thing...Jab bhi post likhte ho tmhe suar q yaad aate hain? agar "suar" itna hi marghoob hai tumhe to apne tk hi mehdood rakha kro aur "Shah Ji" ho ge apne liye isliye Shah ji k lafz ko cash krwaane ki zarurat nai hai. aur jitne patriot ho wo yahan sb hi jante hain jb dekho PPPP ki wakaalat kro jise jb bhi government me aane ka moqa mila awaam ko roti, kapra aur makaan k laaray laga laga kr behaal krdiya aur apni tajoriyaan bharne me magan rahe...!

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    [/COLOR]1-Kia aap jihad ka taayun kisi leader kay kehnay per kartay hain ya ALLAH aur uskay Rasool SAW k kehnay per?????

    Any sensible person can understand your below given explanation and answer

    kyu jee b kiya saray mujaheedeen pay wahi utarna shuroo ho gai hay?
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    Aur yeh aap kay Maudoodi sahib nay jo Kashmir kay jihaad ki nufi ki thi kay jub tuk Pakistan ki government xyz nahi kurti yeh jihaad nahi ho sakta to kiya woh Allah aur us kay Rasool ki nufi thi?
    Please give reference from Books of Molaan Maududi that he was against Jihad e Kashmir

    Agar nahi thi to Afghanistan may jo jihaad hua woh kaisay jihaad tha? Kiya Russia kay saath saray taulukaat khatam ho gaey thay Pakistan kay?
    Mr ignorant the battle area was Afghanistan and not Pakistan and all mujahideen of Afghanistan had asked for help from Pakistan..and also if you know Pakistan state was openly supporting Taliban

    agar Quran parha ho tou



    فَلْيُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يَشْرُونَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا بِالآخِرَةِ وَمَن يُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيُقْتَلْ أَو يَغْلِبْ فَسَوْفَ نُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا* وَمَا لَكُمْ لاَ تُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَالْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ وَالنِّسَاء وَالْوِلْدَانِ الَّذِينَ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا أَخْرِجْنَا مِنْ هَذِهِ الْقَرْيَةِ الظَّالِمِ أَهْلُهَا وَاجْعَل لَّنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ وَلِيًّا وَاجْعَل لَّنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ نَصِيرًا * الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ الطَّاغُوتِ فَقَاتِلُواْ أَوْلِيَاء الشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّ كَيْدَ الشَّيْطَانِ كَانَ ضَعِيفًا (سورة النساء: 74-76)

    ترجمہ: ان لوگوں کو اللہ کی راہ میں قتال کرنا چاہیے جو دنیاوی زندگی آخر ت کے عوض بیچ چکے ہیں اور جو اللہ کی راہ میں قتال کرے پھر قتل کردیا جائے یا غالب ہوجائے تو ہم جلد ہی اسے بڑا اجر دیں گے اور تمہیں کیا ہے کہ تم اللہ کی راہ میں لڑتے نہیں ہو حالانکہ کمزور مرد اور عورتیں اور بچے ہیں جو کہہ رہے ہیں کہ ائے ہمارے رب ہمیں اس بستی سے نکال دے جسکے رہنے والے ظالم ہیں اور ہمارے لئے اپنی جانب سے دوست اور ہمارے لئے اپنی جانب سے مددگار مقرر کر جو لوگ ایمان لائے وہ اللہ کی راہ میں لڑیں گے اور جن لوگوں نے کفر کیا وہ طاغوت کی راہ میں لڑیں گے سو تم شیطان کے مددگاروں سے لڑو کیونکہ شیطان کی چال نہایت بودی ہے



    Aur haa in logo ki naseehat in logo ki apni families pay kyu nahi asar kurti ???
    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD

    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated

    Son of Liaqat Baloch Sb participated

    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.

    anwar niazi sahib sec info hain
    un ka beta

    aur markaz se le kr dist level ki qyadat k betay shaheed huwe hain



    2ndly---if u know Islami Jamiat TALABA participated alongwith Pak army against mukti bahni and indian army by the name of ALBADAR...

    Please note

    they were Bengalies who fought for united PAKISTANI

    THEY WERE NOT SENT FROM WEST PAKISTAN

    kiya ajab itefaaq tha kay woh Bihaari Bangali thay.
    .

    Please give reference that they were vehari..u r blaming..and if u know simple law ,daleel lana mudaee kay zimay hota hay first

    3rdly---regarding jamaat e Islami

    Regarding Jihad,

    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD

    And his son participated in USA educational jihaad???
    His son went in 1994 to USA for study..and do u know when had afghan Jihad ended???? ..and he was back after study..was ameer of noshera jamaat and now a days running a school in Islamabad

    and Show me a single statement where JI says study k liay jana haram hay

    Also watch this (abhi tumaray ek aur bhai rao 7 ko bhi dikhae )
    Insha ALLAH afaqah ho ga



    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated Hamesha say

    ghazi hi rahay hay JI walay???
    Tumhari qismat men nahen likha tou hum kia karen



    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.
    Who is he???
    If you have eyes, his designation in jamaat is written before his name..


    4thly----Hameed Gul himself went to Afghanistan many times..and his two sons oung Muhammad Omer Gul and Muhammad Abdullah Gul also went
    For what? enjoy the scenery?

    yeh scenry enjoy karnay aap bhi chalay jaen...


    Waisay Prohet Musatafa (SAWW) was not getting money from Sheikhain and ISI
    Please give proof of a single rupee given to Jmaat Islami



    Quote Originally Posted by PakistanZindaabaad View Post
    agree to ur one point...
    Surrender is no option in battle field for a Muslim....either live a ghazi or die a shaheed

    What about Ghazwa-e-Uhad???



    سب لوگ اپنی اپنی تاریخ کی کتابوں میں تصحیح فرما لیں کہ مسلمانوں نے غزوہ احد میں ہتھیار ڈالے تھے

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    Apart from whatever u said....just tell me one thing...Jab bhi post likhte ho tmhe suar q yaad aate hain? agar "suar" itna hi marghoob hai tumhe to apne tk hi mehdood rakha kro aur "Shah Ji" ho ge apne liye isliye Shah ji k lafz ko cash krwaane ki zarurat nai hai. aur jitne patriot ho wo yahan sb hi jante hain jb dekho PPPP ki wakaalat kro jise jb bhi government me aane ka moqa mila awaam ko roti, kapra aur makaan k laaray laga laga kr behaal krdiya aur apni tajoriyaan bharne me magan rahe...!
    Jawab to tujhay teray jaisa hi dena chahta hoo mugar......
    Ab 100 say ooper kay alfaz may say tumharay jaiso ko agar suar lufz hi dikha to meray khayal may to yeh meri nahi tumhari koi pasandeeda cheez hay .
    Kher yeh tujhay meri post may Shah jee cash karwana kaha say nazar agya? Kher Abu Jehlo ko to waisay hi sotay jagtay Shah nazar atay hay. Reh gai baat patriotism ki to woh kahawat hay na gudha kiya janay adrak ka sawaad to tu rehn hi day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamamuslim View Post
    [/COLOR]1-Kia aap jihad ka taayun kisi leader kay kehnay per kartay hain ya ALLAH aur uskay Rasool SAW k kehnay per?????

    Any sensible person can understand your below given explanation and answer

    Are you concurring with me or maligning me???



    ------------------


    Please give reference from Books of Molaan Maududi that he was against Jihad e Kashmir



    Mr ignorant the battle area was Afghanistan and not Pakistan and all mujahideen of Afghanistan had asked for help
    from Pakistan..and also if you know Pakistan state was openly supporting Taliban


    Really??? All Mujahideen were asking for Pakistani support??? Nice revelation!!! Even Mujahideen didnt know these jewels of wisdmom...
    agar Quran parha ho tou

    Sorry jee Jamiat kay mustanand idaray say nahi parRha lihaza sara kuch gharat gya!!!




    فَلْيُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يَشْرُونَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا بِالآخِرَةِ وَمَن يُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيُقْتَلْ أَو يَغْلِبْ فَسَوْفَ نُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا* وَمَا لَكُمْ لاَ تُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَالْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ وَالنِّسَاء وَالْوِلْدَانِ الَّذِينَ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا أَخْرِجْنَا مِنْ هَذِهِ الْقَرْيَةِ الظَّالِمِ أَهْلُهَا وَاجْعَل لَّنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ وَلِيًّا وَاجْعَل لَّنَا مِن لَّدُنكَ نَصِيرًا * الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ الطَّاغُوتِ فَقَاتِلُواْ أَوْلِيَاء الشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّ كَيْدَ الشَّيْطَانِ كَانَ ضَعِيفًا (سورة النساء: 74-76)

    ترجمہ: ان لوگوں کو اللہ کی راہ میں قتال کرنا چاہیے جو دنیاوی زندگی آخر ت کے عوض بیچ چکے ہیں اور جو اللہ کی راہ میں قتال کرے پھر قتل کردیا جائے یا غالب ہوجائے تو ہم جلد ہی اسے بڑا اجر دیں گے اور تمہیں کیا ہے کہ تم اللہ کی راہ میں لڑتے نہیں ہو حالانکہ کمزور مرد اور عورتیں اور بچے ہیں جو کہہ رہے ہیں کہ ائے ہمارے رب ہمیں اس بستی سے نکال دے جسکے رہنے والے ظالم ہیں اور ہمارے لئے اپنی جانب سے دوست اور ہمارے لئے اپنی جانب سے مددگار مقرر کر جو لوگ ایمان لائے وہ اللہ کی راہ میں لڑیں گے اور جن لوگوں نے کفر کیا وہ طاغوت کی راہ میں لڑیں گے سو تم شیطان کے مددگاروں سے لڑو کیونکہ شیطان کی چال نہایت بودی ہے


    Yaha par Afghanistan ka zikar ho raha hay??? Jamatiyo ki nazar may Hazara aur Uzbak aur Tajik sub taghoot ki rah may thay aur sirf Pashtoon hi Allah kay sipahi tehray


    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD

    Just like Suffi Muhammad jo 10000 qatal karwa kur wapis aagya tha??? Kher woh bhi to jamatia hi tha right???


    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated



    Just like Suffi Muhammad jo 10000 qatal karwa kur wapis aagya tha??? Kher woh bhi to jamatia hi tha right???

    Son of Liaqat Baloch Sb participated


    Just like Suffi Muhammad jo 10000 qatal karwa kur wapis aagya tha??? Kher woh bhi to jamatia hi tha right???

    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.

    Who??? Kiya kaha??? Lahoo luga kay shaheedo may shamil ho gai???


    anwar niazi sahib sec info hain
    un ka beta

    aur markaz se le kr dist level ki qyadat k betay shaheed huwe hain



    2ndly---if u know Islami Jamiat TALABA participated alongwith Pak army against mukti bahni and indian army by the name of ALBADAR...

    Please note

    they were Bengalies who fought for united PAKISTANI

    THEY WERE NOT SENT FROM WEST PAKISTAN

    .

    Please give reference that they were vehari..u r blaming..and if u know simple law ,daleel lana mudaee kay zimay hota hay first

    O bhai Pakistan may to mudai bhii aap, gawah bhi aap, aur munsif bhi!!! Kher Bangladesh may kiya karo gay??? Waisay yeh Bihari hi kyu shehro say bahar campo may parRay hay???


    3rdly---regarding jamaat e Islami

    Regarding Jihad,

    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD



    His son went in 1994 to USA for study..and do u know when had afghan Jihad ended???? ..and he was back after study..was ameer of noshera jamaat and now a days running a school in Islamabad

    Kyu jee kiya Afghanistan ka jihad khatam hogya???

    and Show me a single statement where JI says study k liay jana haram hay
    Wahi ZamZam wali misaal

    Also watch this (abhi tumaray ek aur bhai rao 7 ko bhi dikhae ) Insha ALLAH afaqah ho ga



    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated Hamesha say

    Waisay aik aur Laal topi wala Zaid Hamid bhi baqol uskey waha gya tha...



    Tumhari qismat men nahen likha tou hum kia karen



    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.


    If you have eyes, his designation in jamaat is written before his name..


    4thly----Hameed Gul himself went to Afghanistan many times..and his two sons oung Muhammad Omer Gul and Muhammad Abdullah Gul also went


    yeh scenry enjoy karnay aap bhi chalay jaen...


    Sirf jamatiyo aur ISI kay liye hi waha kay rooh parwar lasho may luthrRay tabah-o-barbaad nizaray janat-e-nazeer thay humaray jaisay to sirf kashmir ki jahanum ko dekh kur guzara kurtay rahay ...


    Please give proof of a single rupee given to Jmaat Islami

    Your beloved Hameed Gul himself has acknowledged in a tv show




    سب لوگ اپنی اپنی تاریخ کی کتابوں میں تصحیح فرما لیں کہ مسلمانوں نے غزوہ احد میں ہتھیار ڈالے تھے

    کیا تحقیق کی ہے جناب نے

    Kiya baat hay jee? humaray khilaaf propaganda? kher jaisay pehlay misaal di hay tumharay logo ki aur Zam Zam ki... Ghazwa-e-Uhad ki baat ki thi meray Jamiat FK kay nazim jee jis may Musalmano ko nuqsaan uthana parRa tha..
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    Lolzz.. Thanks.now people can see whose arguments have sense
    Oh you are most welcome. Like always Jamiat is number one .

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    Lolzz.. Thanks.now people can see whose arguments have sense
    Oh you are most welcome. Like always Jamiat is number ne.

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    Well lets us discuss point by point

    1-Kia aap jihad ka taayun kisi leader kay kehnay per kartay hain ya ALLAH aur uskay Rasool SAW k kehnay per?????

    agar kisi leader k kehnay per kartay hain tou yes u should ask him to go first alongwith his family...

    aur

    agar ALLAH aur Rasool SAW k ahkaam k mutabiq Jihad ka wajoob/farziyat /farz e ain hona sabit ho jata hay tou aap per lazim hay k u should go..ALLAH will never ask u about any leader ..he will ask about urself

    ---------- Post added at 09:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 PM ----------

    2ndly---if u know Islami Jamiat TALABA participated alongwith Pak army against mukti bahni and indian army by the name of ALBADAR...

    Please note


    they were Bengalies who fought for united PAKISTANI

    THEY WERE NOT SENT FROM WEST PAKISTAN


    They never surrendered.
    ..10.000 workers of jamaat and jamiat were martyred in a month..and still they are facing charges for supporting Pakistan at that moment

    ---------- Post added at 09:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 PM ----------

    3rdly---regarding jamaat e Islami

    Regarding Jihad,

    Qazi sb himself pasrtcipated in Afghan JAIHAD

    Syed Munawar Hasan Sb himself particpiated

    Son of Liaqat Baloch Sb participated

    naib ameer jamat jan mohamed abbasi's son martyred in afghanistan.

    anwar niazi sahib sec info hain
    un ka beta

    aur markaz se le kr dist level ki qyadat k betay shaheed huwe hain


    ---------- Post added at 10:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 PM ----------

    4thly----Hameed Gul himself went to Afghanistan many times..and his two sons oung Muhammad Omer Gul and Muhammad Abdullah Gul also went

    ---as i told,anybody who goes on Jiahd goes by understanding its farziyat by ALLAH and Rasool SAW's orders..not by orders of Qazi sb or Syed Munawar Hasan sb....

    --and nobody was ever fored to go there by jamaat

    ---and most of all, yesterday i had same discussion with columbus, tell me Quran men ALLAH nay yeh kahan likha hay k judge anybody from his family's actions?????

    and if u give this arugument of judging a person based on actions of his family, pleaser explian the following situatiuos too

    --the uncle of Prophet SAW abulahab was kafir....so Prophet SAW should not ahve preached until he had become Muslim as acording to ur saying,pehlay apna ghar thek krna chahaeay????

    --the son of Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas R.A. (one of ashra mubashrah) was in the army who fought against Hazrat Hussain R.A.???

    --the son of Hazrat Umar Farooq R.A. committed a sin for which punsihment was given and he passed aay durng punishemnt???


    So dear please dont make ur own rules to analyse someone....We have to obey ALLAH and His Rasool SAW , chahay Quran aur Sunnat ka moaqif Qazi Sb kahain ya koi aur..and stop basing actions of other family members to judge any person


    ----------------
    i agree to ur one point...
    Surrender is no option in battle field for a Muslim....either live a ghazi or die a shaheed

    if A.K. Niazai surrenderd by the reason u told, he shoudl have been hanged....but now he passed away..and ALLAH is the best JUDGE

    Jihad ka ailaan kiya koi infradi hasiyath may ker sakta hay.............. yahan infradi say muurad party bhi hay aur aik common man bhi.....

    Kiya Taliban ka afghanistan may jihad ka aur islami hakoomat kay tajurbay ki naakami kaafi nahi jo ab tak ap JIHAD kernay k liya parchaar ker rahay hain......

    Jihad ka inkaari kufar may daakhil hay laikin jo jihad k naam per awam ko baywaqoof banaeyn un k liya kiya hookam hay???

    May JIHAD say inkar nahi ker raha laikin JIHAD k liya jo conditions hain kia wo hum nay fulfil ki...........??

    Dawat o Tabligh say bara JIHAD koi nahi hay iss waqt may kion k ya he wo buniyad theee jo 13 saal tarbiyath k tuur pay Makka may banaey gaey aur jab ban gaey tau phir JIHAD kerna bhi asaan hogaya. Aj tarbiyath howe nahi, eemaan aur yakeen ka ya haal hay kay chanday k baghair tanzeem chalana bhi mohaal nazar ata hay aur baat kertay hain hum JIHAD Ki.................. Jis din yakeen aur emaan sahi hogaya tau phir kisi ko Allah k liya jaan daynay ki targheeb nahi dayni paray gi aur na he chanda mang ker jihaadi tanzeem chalaey jaey gi aur na he kisi may jurrat hogi kay koi musalman ko hara sakay kion k phir muqabla musalmano k sath nahi musalmano k RAB k sath barahayrast hoga.....

    Aj tak ki tareekh e islami may jitni fatoohat mili hain musalmano ko wo weapons aur kasrat ki buniyad per nahi balkay Allah ki madad aur nusrat ki buniyad per hasil howe........................

    Allah humay sahi samajh ata karay ameeeenn.

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    Jihad ka ailaan kiya koi infradi hasiyath may ker sakta hay.............. yahan infradi say muurad party bhi hay aur aik common man bhi.....

    Kiya Taliban ka afghanistan may jihad ka aur islami hakoomat kay tajurbay ki naakami kaafi nahi jo ab tak ap JIHAD kernay k liya parchaar ker rahay hain......

    Jihad ka inkaari kufar may daakhil hay laikin jo jihad k naam per awam ko baywaqoof banaeyn un k liya kiya hookam hay???

    May JIHAD say inkar nahi ker raha laikin JIHAD k liya jo conditions hain kia wo hum nay fulfil ki...........??

    Dawat o Tabligh say bara JIHAD koi nahi hay iss waqt may kion k ya he wo buniyad theee jo 13 saal tarbiyath k tuur pay Makka may banaey gaey aur jab ban gaey tau phir JIHAD kerna bhi asaan hogaya. Aj tarbiyath howe nahi, eemaan aur yakeen ka ya haal hay kay chanday k baghair tanzeem chalana bhi mohaal nazar ata hay aur baat kertay hain hum JIHAD Ki.................. Jis din yakeen aur emaan sahi hogaya tau phir kisi ko Allah k liya jaan daynay ki targheeb nahi dayni paray gi aur na he chanda mang ker jihaadi tanzeem chalaey jaey gi aur na he kisi may jurrat hogi kay koi musalman ko hara sakay kion k phir muqabla musalmano k sath nahi musalmano k RAB k sath barahayrast hoga.....

    Aj tak ki tareekh e islami may jitni fatoohat mili hain musalmano ko wo weapons aur kasrat ki buniyad per nahi balkay Allah ki madad aur nusrat ki buniyad per hasil howe........................

    Allah humay sahi samajh ata karay ameeeenn.
    I think Ulemas can answer ur questions better..above i answerd the allegations of him..u should contact any aalim ..and do inform me as i dont know someof ur points answer...Jazak ALLAH

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    I think Ulemas can answer ur questions better..above i answerd the allegations of him..u should contact any aalim ..and do inform me as i dont know someof ur points answer...Jazak ALLAH
    Dost ap ki party kia kehti hay iss moozo pay.

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    Dost ap ki party kia kehti hay iss moozo pay.
    Aap mafrozay ki bajay faqeqat per baat karen..Afghan Jihad by supported by all ulemas of Pakistan and it was also state supported openly

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    Aap mafrozay ki bajay faqeqat per baat karen..Afghan Jihad by supported by all ulemas of Pakistan and it was also state supported openly
    may tay mafrozay ki baat he nahi ker raha..... aj ka almiya ya he hay kay humaray ulima nay jis cheez pay sab say ziada zor dayna thaa uss pay nahi diya khair ulima k mutaliq may koi baat ker k apni akhrat k liay wabaal nahi paida kerna chahtha...

    han agar ap k paas koi knowledge hay iss say muutaliq tau zaroor share karain.

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