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    Looking forward to the "liberal" version of conspiracy theories :-)

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    So every body except jinnah is has kafir shades, forget the rest first discuss jinnah. for ur kind information mohammad ali jinnah was a shia , so according to jamat herami, bhai fazlu and other extremist deoband ( not common man) thought mullah he is kafir. Second , jinnah was a western minded leader. he always wear paint shirt and tie , smoke cigar or pipe, his english is very very good and always speak english. married to a parsi woman, did u ever saw any picture of him in namaz or in masjid, he drank wine etc etc. so what quality u thing make him a good muslim? . Now this good muslim estalah
    estalah mostly used in pakistan and it started during kana dajal zia ul haq era, when jamat herami got power and ghaffora (ghaffour ahmed) become the information minister.

    mohammad ali jinnha was a great man and he wanted pakistan to a prograssive and educated . islam is our religion and no body is denying but islam is not a political system, economic system, justics system. no religion in the world came as a system. they came becaue the people of the that time started social burai or eveil like burying their girls alive , fighting for years and killing each other man , woman , children etc etc
    When prophet ( pbuh) came to arab land , yahudi and esa-i were there and were better than arabs. did u ever heard that yahudi or esa-i were burying thier girls alive or killing each other for years.

    So now only jinnha is better but rest are not better and have shade of kufur. what a genius u are?. sir syed ahmed is the person who started to beg for money from muslim to established a school. this school than become sir syed university and more than 20000 student studies in this university in india today. infact this sir syed ahmed schoool and people from this school or college were the first in line for pakistan movement . all these educated peoople from sir syed school are responsible for pakistan not from any shias madersa or deoband madars or beralvi madersa.

    akhbar badshah is the greatest king in history, that is why he is called : akhbar the great" just like alexander the great. for u if u think that imam kaba dumhead was right in case of fatwa , so why u do not go and live in saudi arabia and get fazyab with imam kaba blessing. u can leave usa and go to live in saudi arabia and saudi arabia will give u their nationality and u will have same right as a native saudi. please , please in the name of god go and live in saudi arabi than u will realise the empty drum of muslim ummah and musalman bhai bhai .

    bhutto was the great man who bring 93 thousand army gabro jawan live from banglabesh, other wise most of them from 93 thousand supposed to come in coffin. he started atomic programm and bring this abdul qadeer khan from holland to paksitan


    Altaf hussein is a one of the greatest leader in asia. chairman mao, ho-che min, ghandi are the some example of great leaders.

    altaf hussein only sin is that he is not from a chowdyri family, wa-dayra family, trible chief family , sardar family sarmaya dar family or from army general family. if altaf hussein is one of the above , believe me there will be no problem with mqm. we are not accepted as son of the soil by establisment and agencys and these chowdyri and wadayra and sardar and pakistan kay na-ay no dolat-ey business man. we are the most educated people in this trible, beradari, influence pakistan, that is why what we says is out of the world.


    all those i mentioned from sir syed ahmed to altaf hussein are some of most talented ,logical people muslim in sub-continent has produce .


    u said u live in USA , and than u are blaming west education for all the evil in pakistan? why do not u call mullah and pakistan establisment responsible for this situation. all these religious partys get less then one percent of all vote, but look how much coverage they get in media and their people are seen every where. army , agencys, establishmetn are responsible for pakistan problems
    "Whomever Allah guides, no one can misguide, and whomever Allah misguides, no one can guide."

    The above verse was sent for misguided people like you. That being out of the way, did you know that Jinnah was an Ismaili Shia initially, but when the religious community protested, he (Jinnah) converted to Islam? I bet you did not know that. But what is more important is: Why did Jinnah care about converting to Islam? I will let you ponder that.

    Are you on any hallucinogenic/mind altering drugs? What does smoking a cigar, wearing western clothes, or speaking good english has anything to do with being a good Muslim? You can do all that and still be a very good Muslim; a better Muslim than a lot of Munafiqs like Nawaz Sharif, Gilani, etc. who have built Masjids right across from their houses, but defy God's commands every f u c k i n g day; they are corrupt to the core, make millions of people suffer (lack of electricity, lack of jobs, wars for money, etc), and do many other bad things on regular bases.

    What Jinnah did for Muslims was better than what thousands or even millions of so-called religious people did; he gave them a country of their own. Besides, who gave you the right to declare anyone a good or bad Muslim. For everyones knowledge on this forum, why don't you tell us how good a Muslim are you? What good have you done for any Muslim or, for that matter, any human being?

    Islam gives excellent guidleine on political, social, and economic systems. Alas, you will never have the opportunity to study and understand the true spirit and teachings of Islam. Read the verse again on top of this post.

    By the way, what makes Alexander 'great?' He killed millions of people just so that he could be a King or remembered as a great king? What was so great about Akbar? I know he was a good king, but I would like to know - from you - what was so great about him? Enlighten us all.

    I like many things about Sir Sayed Ahmed Khan, but what I don't like about him is his irrational thinking that just by providing western education, we can rid our society of all evils. Well, we have been providing western educaion, and just look around to see what it has done to our society/country/nation. Who did it all? The Mullah? No, it is the western educated people who are incharge of things and have made sure that everything is messed up beyond any hope for repairs.

    I am not against the west. As a matter of fact, I like many things about the west, but - that said - there are many things I don't like about the west. Manipulation, control, false propaganda, exploitation of people, disregard for human life, lies, deceit, drug traffiking, arms traffiking, etc are some of the examples. Did you ever think about that? Do you even care about these issues?

    Now tell us all, how educated and how smart are you? That is not to say that I am very smart, but remember it is you who questioned things. So, you must answer.

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    Re: Bad news for "liberals"

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    Wah wah wah wah MashaAllah MashaAllah kia tareeqa hay Islam phelanay ka pehlay buchiya phasao aur phir naara-e-Taqbeer lugao Away hi bar-e-sagheer may Peero nay paparR bailay seedhay seedhay kisi Rinkal jaisi buchi ko phansa letay . Waisay Hindoo larRko kay liye bhi ishi qisam ka iradha to nahi humaray nunhay mujahido ka . Lanat hay jis kaam pay chiter purRnay chahiye us pay mubarakbaaday

    @Ath3r lo jee aap log away hi itnay ijtima kharRkatay rahay. Ghar may anay wali Christian safai kurnay wali pur hath saaf kur detay to aap ko bhi bethay bithay janat bhi mil jaati aur ahem ahem 1 ticket may 2 mazay bhi

    PS. O kuch to sharam karo beghairato lurRki phansa kur shadi ki hay aur jo aaj musalman say phans gai kia guaranty hay kul kisi hindu say wapis nahi phansay gi!


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    Where is this so called western education??? are u blind or just naive! What the hell western education has done to our society? you dont find lying freaking witnesses in courts, you dont find this caliber of shameless corruption in west. List is too long but again I am a "western" slave. BTW its not that everything is mullah fault but its because its Mullah who prostitute itself for nickles and dimes and result in our society's destruction. Be it KK, heroin or sectarianism.
    Hahahahaha mujhay kion ghaseet liya shah jee yahan........ may tau comments dayna he avoid kerta hoon aisay mamlay may laikin iss mamlay may pehlay may apni raey day chuka hoon. Ab mamla Allah k sath hay in ka bhi aur jin ki waja say ya islam laey hain un ka bhi bas Allah say dua hay kay inhay emaan ki halawaat naseeb karay aur istiqamaat daay ameeen.

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    "Whomever Allah guides, no one can misguide, and whomever Allah misguides, no one can guide."

    The above verse was sent for misguided people like you. That being out of the way, did you know that Jinnah was an Ismaili Shia initially, but when the religious community protested, he (Jinnah) converted to Islam? I bet you did not know that. But what is more important is: Why did Jinnah care about converting to Islam? I will let you ponder that.

    Are you on any hallucinogenic/mind altering drugs? What does smoking a cigar, wearing western clothes, or speaking good english has anything to do with being a good Muslim? You can do all that and still be a very good Muslim; a better Muslim than a lot of Munafiqs like Nawaz Sharif, Gilani, etc. who have built Masjids right across from their houses, but defy God's commands every f u c k i n g day; they are corrupt to the core, make millions of people suffer (lack of electricity, lack of jobs, wars for money, etc), and do many other bad things on regular bases.

    What Jinnah did for Muslims was better than what thousands or even millions of so-called religious people did; he gave them a country of their own. Besides, who gave you the right to declare anyone a good or bad Muslim. For everyones knowledge on this forum, why don't you tell us how good a Muslim are you? What good have you done for any Muslim or, for that matter, any human being?

    Islam gives excellent guidleine on political, social, and economic systems. Alas, you will never have the opportunity to study and understand the true spirit and teachings of Islam. Read the verse again on top of this post.

    By the way, what makes Alexander 'great?' He killed millions of people just so that he could be a King or remembered as a great king? What was so great about Akbar? I know he was a good king, but I would like to know - from you - what was so great about him? Enlighten us all.

    I like many things about Sir Sayed Ahmed Khan, but what I don't like about him is his irrational thinking that just by providing western education, we can rid our society of all evils. Well, we have been providing western educaion, and just look around to see what it has done to our society/country/nation. Who did it all? The Mullah? No, it is the western educated people who are incharge of things and have made sure that everything is messed up beyond any hope for repairs.

    I am not against the west. As a matter of fact, I like many things about the west, but - that said - there are many things I don't like about the west. Manipulation, control, false propaganda, exploitation of people, disregard for human life, lies, deceit, drug traffiking, arms traffiking, etc are some of the examples. Did you ever think about that? Do you even care about these issues?

    Now tell us all, how educated and how smart are you? That is not to say that I am very smart, but remember it is you who questioned things. So, you must answer.

    please read the history not the newspaper article of haroon rasheed, ansar abbasi, irfan siddiqu, safdar mehmood etc etc there are many in punjab who think they are the defender and true and pious muslim in pakistan

    u must have read the article of safdar mehmood and saeed siddiqui about jinnah. in that article safdar mehmood try to prove that this ashraf thanvi send some people to educate jinnah or in other world convert him to deohandism.

    punjab is in the grip of religious extremist, like jamat herami, jamat dawa, sipha sahaba, lashkar e ghangvi plus so called islami thinker or philos... . these people think that only way to save pakistan is to do islami propaganda like , musalman bhai bhai, mulim ummah, islami nizam sharyet etc etc. and make people of rest of the provinces more religious so they can not think accros this line. Than these robber and looter will loot other provinces resources and money.

    jinnah was a shia , and ismali are shias. they follow only i think 6 imam of main shia called fiqa jafferya. sixth imam has two or more sons and ismalis follower the other, and jafferya follow some one else. there is not a single one person before this safdar mehmood article who said that jinnah converted to deobandi .in almost 60 years of independence of pakistan this is the first article that said this story. same way safdar mehmood did not tell u that deobandi partys of the time were against pakistan. jamiyat ulma hind , jamat islami ,and top deoband mullah were against pakistan and calling jinnah a kafir. so called ashraf thanvi the great thinker of deoband( please read his book 'bahishti zaywar" and do with ur wife as he said) was against pakistan , he stayed in india and never came to pakistan. ashraf thanvi died in india in 50s

    But safdar mehmood and fake philos...... of punjab are creating the false storys to mislead the people of punjab and pakistan. this is the same as it happpened in kana dajal zia ul haq period when they found the so called diary of jinnah in peshawar and starting gives quotes from that piece of rubbish.


    Jinnah was a shia and never converted to any other fiqa. jinnah boold relatives are still alive and live in london, infact last year one of his neez visited .

    so stop printing false storys about jinnah and tell the readers thast ashraf thanvi was agaisnt pakistan and did not came to pakistan and stayed in india and died there in 50s. Now his ashraf thanvi extremist followers are taking the credit of pakistan and want to impose there fiqa on rest of pakistan by hook or by crook, infact only by crook. just like through kana dajal zia ul haq and now establisment and army are supporting them because they preach a type of islam that fit for their pakistan ideology.

    altaf hussein is the greatest leader in pakistan history. set a side the hate against mqm or altaf husseein. think when he was forced to live this country . what was establishmetn and army was thinking.? mqm is finished , mqm is gone, mqm is done. now we can bring jamat herami and other religious partys again and starte looting the province and it resources next 100 years. But look what happened ? mqm is stronger than ther imaginnations and spreading around pakistan beyound their thinking. this is possible becuae a leader is one who must have a vision for future and can dircet the naiton in correct path.

    bhutto was a great leader ,but made a mistake and did not punish the gen or col or brig of pakistan army responsible for defeat of pakistan and killing two or three million of bangalis and raping their women. if bhutto has done enough to bring these criminals gen to captains of army to justics. he would not be hanged.


    same mistake made by BB and she did not took the people who hanged her father to justices and started sharing the power in pakistan . if BB hanged couple of gen to captain for his father or banglades incident the story of pakistan would be different. all the relgious partys and jamat herami are supposed to be behind the bar or could be hanged in public. islam is our religion not a political game or system.























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    First of all, tell me where did you learn your vocabulary (no insult or offense intended)? You seem to have twisted meanings of a lot of words.

    I may not be well informed on many things, but one thing for sure: I am not misinformed on almost anything of importance.

    I got another news for you. I am not a right winger as you have imagined. I am somewhere close to the center; on some issues, I side with the right wing, and on some other issues, I side with the left wing. I think you have not seen many of my posts or else you wouldn't have said what you did.

    Good thing you cannot rate me in/on anything, because it won't matter anyway. Don't waste your time on stuff you don't know; just stick to what you know.

    Come again? "not as naked as in our society?" Well, I think it is a matter of perspective. I don't know where you live or what you do, but if you study the western culture, read their history (both recent and past), study and understand they ways the work, and what exactly is their background, value system, and beliefs, you would know what I am talking about. But, that will require a lot of effort and I am not sure if you either have the mental capacity or the will to do it. Okay, tell me who Tony blare is? Who is Sarkozi? Who is Collin Powell? Who is Bill Clinton? Who are so many other important people involved in this Great Game round two?

    You want to talk about democracy? First, tell me what is your understanding of a democracy? I will then give you my opinion. Alright?
    Lol and I am impressed with western culture! Do you want me to write in APA format as well??? What are you! some low level English tutor?
    Now what about Clinton, Sarkozi or Tony Blair? Never mind I dont have time like you, and if u r such a fan of "proper" English then go start reading NY Times


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    Hahahahaha mujhay kion ghaseet liya shah jee yahan........ may tau comments dayna he avoid kerta hoon aisay mamlay may laikin iss mamlay may pehlay may apni raey day chuka hoon. Ab mamla Allah k sath hay in ka bhi aur jin ki waja say ya islam laey hain un ka bhi bas Allah say dua hay kay inhay emaan ki halawaat naseeb karay aur istiqamaat daay ameeen.
    Ather bhai sorry aapki raey nahi maloom thi. Allah karay kay woh Islam par qaim rahay Ameen. May to sirf aapki tawajah is naey 21st Century ki tableegh ki taraf kurwa raha tha, aap log fazool may gurmi surdi may ijtima kurtay hay yeh tareeqa aapki nuzron say kyu nahi guzra???

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    u r barking at a wrong tree dude.
    I am barking at the right Brahmin who is a conservative minded bigot. A bigot who has no respect for a lady's choice to love and marry at her own will. A bigot who equates the sacred feelings and emotions of love with bachi phasana. A bigot who is masked behind liberalism but his Brahmin mentality has been exposed since Rinkle Kumari chose to be Faryal Shah. You have been exposed big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am going to rejoice the sacred union of love with its lover by doing dhamaal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rejoice Rejoice Ali Maula Ali Maula !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    @apple4me

    Nice cramming up of history but do you know why he was called a kafir and by whom ???????????????

    First look at the picture of your bloody rasul called Sir Syed Ahmed Khan. Do you not see the six feet tall beard which is bigger than his face. He was no less than a bigot mulla !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    He was called kafir because his own mullas were exposed big time. Their interpretation of religion needed reform to stay alive in that particularly modern time. Sufis had emerged victorious yet again because their interpretation of religion and world view was compatible but the interpretation of the mullas sucked. He had no option but to reform his own group's interpretation. He had no choice but to convince the mulla slaves of Uttar Pradesh to survive in the world by attaining western education. The emergence of the new western power was a huge jolt for the ego of the mulla slaves of Uttar Pradesh who looked down upon the rest of mankind during the Mughal rule. They could not tolerate anyone else claiming superiority and therefore chose to reject new ideas and innovations.

    During the process he made a school in Aligarh. As you have so much praise for Brahmins that you hate Rinkle Kumari's conversion to Faryal Shah I urge you to first change the name of Aligarh back to Ramgarh which was the previous name of Aligarh. Why on earth did your rasul Sir Syed chose to name his school Aligarh which actually is a name which was thrusted on the poor Hindu community of Ramgarh ????????????????????????? So to begin with he should have protested the ill act of a Shia mulla slave who forcibly changed the name of Ramgarh to Aligarh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sir Syed has passed away but your love for Hindus can be displayed by taking the intiative to chage the name of Aligarh to Ramgarh. I am sure that neither Hazrat Ali k.a.w would like his name to be used for Aligarh nor any sufi would like it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Finally cominng back to the dynamics behind the making of Aligarh school. The reason was to produce educated clerks and low level bureaucracy. It is a myth that Aligarh school played a major role in the creation of Pakistan. Quaid Azam too had not much regard for Sir Syed and he never till 1948 used Sir Syed's six feet bearded mulla face for any symbolism. Most of the cabinet of Quaid Azam had no links with Aligarh college !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Actually it was the civil bureaucracy graduated from Aligarh who alongwith military dictators were responsible to create hatred in the hearts of Bengali brothers by not adjusting to their demands and imposing Urdu language on them. In short graduates of Aligarh university had a major role in breaking Pakistan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I am barking at the right Brahmin who is a conservative minded bigot. A bigot who has no respect for a lady's choice to love and marry at her own will. A bigot who equates the sacred feelings and emotions of love with bachi phasana. A bigot who is masked behind liberalism but his Brahmin mentality has been exposed since Rinkle Kumari chose to be Faryal Shah. You have been exposed big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am going to rejoice the sacred union of love with its lover by doing dhamaal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rejoice Rejoice Ali Maula Ali Maula !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Again you are becoming delusional. I like you because of your love towards Sufism and Ahl-e-Bait but you are wrong when you think I am against conversion. I just dont agree with this way of conversion. And stop calling me barhamin i am a Syed and a Peerzada (mashaAllah) with family's Mazarat, so do not insult me please!

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    Again you are becoming delusional. I like you because of your love towards Sufism and Ahl-e-Bait but you are wrong when you think I am against conversion. I just dont agree with this way of conversion. And stop calling me barhamin i am a Syed and a Peerzada (mashaAllah) with family's Mazarat, so do not insult me please!
    You are a Brahmin who during the changing circumstances had no choice but to convert to Islam and call your being a Syed to remain superior within the surroundings. What is the evidence you have with you in this advanced day and age that you are not a Brahmin but a Syed ???????????????? Any genetic evidence ???????????????????????

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    Lol and I am impressed with western culture! Do you want me to write in APA format as well??? What are you! some low level English tutor?
    Now what about Clinton, Sarkozi or Tony Blair? Never mind I dont have time like you, and if u r such a fan of "proper" English then go start reading NY Times
    Ha ha ha ha ha. انگور کھٹے ہیں

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakistanZindaabaad View Post
    Again you are becoming delusional. I like you because of your love towards Sufism and Ahl-e-Bait but you are wrong when you think I am against conversion. I just dont agree with this way of conversion. And stop calling me barhamin i am a Syed and a Peerzada (mashaAllah) with family's Mazarat, so do not insult me please!
    ٔWhat is a Syed? What nonsense is that? Even if there are Syeds, that does not mean that they are pious just because they call themselves Syeds. The king of Jordan is direct descendant of prophet Mohammad. Is he pious? Is he worth of respect? No far from it. What about King Faisal of Iraq (in the 50s). He was also a direct descendant of Prophet Mohammad. Was he worthy of respect? No, he was a stooge of the west just like the king of Jordan. Is Yousaf Raza Gilini worth of respect? I leave that up to you. So spare us the sermon on Syed and Pirzada.

    What is a Pirzada? Pirzada are supposed to be the body guards of the Pirs. Are you proud of being a body guard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple4me View Post
    please read the history not the newspaper article of haroon rasheed, ansar abbasi, irfan siddiqu, safdar mehmood etc etc there are many in punjab who think they are the defender and true and pious muslim in pakistan

    u must have read the article of safdar mehmood and saeed siddiqui about jinnah. in that article safdar mehmood try to prove that this ashraf thanvi send some people to educate jinnah or in other world convert him to deohandism.

    punjab is in the grip of religious extremist, like jamat herami, jamat dawa, sipha sahaba, lashkar e ghangvi plus so called islami thinker or philos... . these people think that only way to save pakistan is to do islami propaganda like , musalman bhai bhai, mulim ummah, islami nizam sharyet etc etc. and make people of rest of the provinces more religious so they can not think accros this line. Than these robber and looter will loot other provinces resources and money.

    jinnah was a shia , and ismali are shias. they follow only i think 6 imam of main shia called fiqa jafferya. sixth imam has two or more sons and ismalis follower the other, and jafferya follow some one else. there is not a single one person before this safdar mehmood article who said that jinnah converted to deobandi .in almost 60 years of independence of pakistan this is the first article that said this story. same way safdar mehmood did not tell u that deobandi partys of the time were against pakistan. jamiyat ulma hind , jamat islami ,and top deoband mullah were against pakistan and calling jinnah a kafir. so called ashraf thanvi the great thinker of deoband( please read his book 'bahishti zaywar" and do with ur wife as he said) was against pakistan , he stayed in india and never came to pakistan. ashraf thanvi died in india in 50s

    But safdar mehmood and fake philos...... of punjab are creating the false storys to mislead the people of punjab and pakistan. this is the same as it happpened in kana dajal zia ul haq period when they found the so called diary of jinnah in peshawar and starting gives quotes from that piece of rubbish.


    Jinnah was a shia and never converted to any other fiqa. jinnah boold relatives are still alive and live in london, infact last year one of his neez visited .

    so stop printing false storys about jinnah and tell the readers thast ashraf thanvi was agaisnt pakistan and did not came to pakistan and stayed in india and died there in 50s. Now his ashraf thanvi extremist followers are taking the credit of pakistan and want to impose there fiqa on rest of pakistan by hook or by crook, infact only by crook. just like through kana dajal zia ul haq and now establisment and army are supporting them because they preach a type of islam that fit for their pakistan ideology.

    altaf hussein is the greatest leader in pakistan history. set a side the hate against mqm or altaf husseein. think when he was forced to live this country . what was establishmetn and army was thinking.? mqm is finished , mqm is gone, mqm is done. now we can bring jamat herami and other religious partys again and starte looting the province and it resources next 100 years. But look what happened ? mqm is stronger than ther imaginnations and spreading around pakistan beyound their thinking. this is possible becuae a leader is one who must have a vision for future and can dircet the naiton in correct path.

    bhutto was a great leader ,but made a mistake and did not punish the gen or col or brig of pakistan army responsible for defeat of pakistan and killing two or three million of bangalis and raping their women. if bhutto has done enough to bring these criminals gen to captains of army to justics. he would not be hanged.


    same mistake made by BB and she did not took the people who hanged her father to justices and started sharing the power in pakistan . if BB hanged couple of gen to captain for his father or banglades incident the story of pakistan would be different. all the relgious partys and jamat herami are supposed to be behind the bar or could be hanged in public. islam is our religion not a political game or system.
    They say silence is Golden. You - of all the people on this forum - should inculcate/assimilate that in your head.

    Why did you have to use so many words to prove your ignorance?

    By the way, I do not read Pakistani newspapers for a simple reason: They are not worth a read most of the time. Unlike you, I don't get my wisdom (however little it may be) from reading articles in magazines and newspapers. I am old enough to know that most of them (articles) are written with a hidden agenda. Understood?

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    Lol have you gone to collect genetic evidence ????????????????????????????????

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    You are a Brahmin who during the changing circumstances had no choice but to convert to Islam and call your being a Syed to remain superior within the surroundings. What is the evidence you have with you in this advanced day and age that you are not a Brahmin but a Syed ???????????????? Any genetic evidence ???????????????????????
    what? why would anyone in their right mind will hide being a pundit barhamin?? is barhamin a low cast u freaking idiot??? u dont make sense! minto was a kashmiri pundit he was never ashamed of it! Iqbal's grand father was a kashmiri pundit and he did not... what the hell barhamins did to u??? freaking imbecile u dont even know how cast system works! its a waste of time to argue with a person who admit he "barks".
    "I am barking at the right Brahmin".
    P.S. i guess u r a direct descendant of some 20th century rinkel Kumari, left in Pak, thats why so much pain.


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    ٔWhat is a Syed? What nonsense is that? Even if there are Syeds, that does not mean that they are pious just because they call themselves Syeds. The king of Jordan is direct descendant of prophet Mohammad. Is he pious? Is he worth of respect? No far from it. What about King Faisal of Iraq (in the 50s). He was also a direct descendant of Prophet Mohammad. Was he worthy of respect? No, he was a stooge of the west just like the king of Jordan. Is Yousaf Raza Gilini worth of respect? I leave that up to you. So spare us the sermon on Syed and Pirzada.

    What is a Pirzada? Pirzada are supposed to be the body guards of the Pirs. Are you proud of being a body guard?

    like i said earlier every time one of yous prove me wrong and takes top spot in idiocy. BRAHMINS (Pandits) r not small cast in Pakistan. Iqbal and Manto are two examples. He is making me what i am not, its insulting. Its like instead of malik i give u a cast of raii. Get my point or should i type in APA .

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    like i said earlier every time one of yous prove me wrong and takes top spot in idiocy. BRAHMINS (Pandits) r not small cast in Pakistan. Iqbal and Manto are two examples. He is making me what i am not, its insulting. Its like instead of malik i give u a cast of raii. Get my point or should i type in APA .

    What r u saying man? I don't get it. You better stop smoking that stuff.

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    what? why would anyone in their right mind will hide being a pundit barhamin?? is barhamin a low cast u freaking idiot??? u dont make sense! minto was a kashmiri pundit he was never ashamed of it! Iqbal's grand father was a kashmiri pundit and he did not... what the hell barhamins did to u??? freaking imbecile u dont even know how cast system works! its a waste of time to argue with a person who admit he "barks".
    "I am barking at the right Brahmin".
    P.S. i guess u r a direct descendant of some 20th century rinkel Kumari, left in Pak, thats why so much pain.





    Lol where is the genetic evidence dude ???????????????????????? Are you not the one who was giving us lectures on western education ???????????????????? What happened to that education of yours ????????????????????

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    What r u saying man? I don't get it. You better stop smoking that stuff.
    u wont get it! for a person whose iq level is that he thinks pirzada is a bodyguard of pirs, even prophets cant explain anything; who am I to bang my head on a wall!!!

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    Lol where is the genetic evidence dude ???????????????????????? Are you not the one who was giving us lectures on western education ???????????????????? What happened to that education of yours ????????????????????
    So???????? western education means asking ur father for genetic proof??? u r a lost cause!!! was that the pre-req in ur school??? To get dna from ur daddy! And what happened??? was it some Brahmin's???

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    u wont get it! for a person whose iq level is that he thinks pirzada is a bodyguard of pirs, even prophets cant explain anything; who am I to bang my head on a wall!!!
    You got that right. You should not bang your head against things that might hurt you.

    To Pirzada are just a tribe that migrated from India. My information is is quite different and more authentic from yours.

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    So???????? western education means asking ur father for genetic proof??? u r a lost cause!!! was that the pre-req in ur school??? To get dna from ur daddy! And what happened??? was it some Brahmin's???
    This is the reply you get from fake Syed zada show offs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chawlian aur bongian na maar shoday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    This is the reply you get from fake Syed zada show offs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chawlian aur bongian na maar shoday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    میں نے اس کیس کے اٹھنے پر کہا تھا کہ اب ان ہندو بہنوں اور انکے خاندان کی 'عافیت' اسی میں ہے کہ یہ "مسلمان رہیں". پاکستان میں ایک بار جس غیر مسلم پر اسلام قبول کرنے کا 'آروب' لگ جاۓ، وہاں معاملہ فورا توہین رسالت جیسا ہو جاتا ہے. انسان کمبل کو چھوڑنا بھی چاہے، تو کمبل کے ٹھیکیدار ، کمبل کو ہی کفن بنانے پر تل جاتے ہیں. یہ وہ ون وے ٹکٹ ہے، جہاں سے واپسی کا کوئی راستہ نہیں. البتہ مومنین کرام ایسے مسافر کو اگلے جہاں کا ٹکٹ ضرور دے دیتے ہیں. لاہور کی نواحی بستی میں دو ماہ قبل ایک ساٹھ سالہ عیسائی خاتون چھ ماہ مسلمان رہنے کے بعد دوبارہ عیسائی بن گئی، گاؤں والوں نے اس عمر رسیدہ خاتون کی 'دلجوئی' کی خاطر اسکے بال مونڈ کر، گلے میں جوتیوں کا ہار پہنا کر، چہرہ سیاہ کر کے، کھوتے پر بٹھا کر پورے گاؤں کا چکر لگوایا. اور ساتھ ساتھ مکوں، گھونسوں سے تواضع بھی کرتے رہے. اسکے بعد بھی خاتون اپنے موقف سے پیچھے نہ ہٹی، تو مسجد میں لوگوں کو اکٹھا کر کے خاتون کے انتم سنسکار کا پروگرام بنایا گیا. لیکن خاتون اسی شام اپنا گھر بار چھوڑ کر خاندان سمیت روپوش ہو گئی
    Christianity to Islam, and back: 60-year-old woman disgraced for reconversion – The Express Tribune

    ہر ہفتے اسی قسم کا کوئی نہ کوئی واقعہ پاکستانی اخبارات میں پڑھنے کو مل جاتا ہے. اقلیتوں کو مارو، ساڑو، کاٹو؛ کوئی پوچھنے والا نہیں. عموما ان واقعیات کو کوریج نہیں ملتی کیونکہ جہاں اکثریت صرف فرقہ ورانہ اختلافات پر اپنے معصوم بچوں کے سوتے میں گلے کاٹ رہی ہو، وہاں اقلیت کا پرسان حال کون ہو گا. اقلیتوں سے سینکڑوں گنا زیادہ تو ہر مہینے معصوم پاکستانی مسلمان شہری مختلف قسم کے درندوں کے ہاتھوں زبحہ ہو رہے ہیں

    سندھ میں متمول اور متوسط ہندو طبقہ کی بچیوں کو تاوان کیلیے اغوا کرنا معمول ہے. اگر والدین امیر نہ بھی ہوں تو بھی یہ ہمارے مردانہ معاشرے کی مروجہ سوچ کی مانند، پوری برادری کی عزت کا مسلہ بن جاتا ہے. میڈیا میں آنے پر یا تاوان وصول نہ ہونے پر، اغوا کار بالآخر اپنے قبیح جرم کو چھپانے کیلیے، اسلام کی لیپا پوتی کر دیتے ہیں. میرے اپنے آبائی علاقے میں، جاگیر دار شہزادے، غریبوں کی خوبصورت لڑکیوں کو اغوا کر کے، دل بھر جانے کے بعد، آخر میں اپنے کسی کمی سے بیاہ کروا دیتے ہیں. اور معاملہ کاغذات میں "پسند کی شادی" بن جاتا ہے. مظلوم لڑکی بھی واپسی کی صورت میں، اپنے ہی والدین اور برادری کے ہاتھوں غیرت کے نام پر 'شہادت' سے ڈر کر باقی ماندہ زندگی کیلیے 'غازی' بننا قبول کر لیتی ہے

    رنکل کماری کے کیس میں، ہزاروں جہلا کے مجمع کے ساتھ زیریں عدالت پر دھاوا بولنا، جج کو من پسند فیصلہ سنانے پر، سرعام اسکی زندگی کا پروانہ عطا کرنا، اقلیتوں کی عزت 'فتح' کرنے کے بعد، ان کے گھروں کے سامنے طالبانی بھنگڑے ڈالنا؛ اقلیتوں کی حالت زار واضح طور پر بیان کرتا ہے. ان بہنوں کے والدین کی تڑپ اور درد اپنی جگہ، لیکن حقیقت میں انکی بیٹیوں نے 'مسلمان' رہ کر ان والدین اور کئی اقلیتی خاندانوں کی زندگی بچائی ہے. میڈیا میں آ جانے والے ایسے کیسز میں، غیر مسلم(یا کافر قرار دیا گیا مسلم) اوپر جاتا ہے اور یا پھر ملک سے باہر، کم از کم پاکستان میں کوئی محفوظ جگہ نہیں ملتی. اگر کسی بدنصیب کو عدالت بری بھی کر دے، تو پھر بھی جیل کے باہر گھات لگاۓ مومنین معاف نہیں کرتے
    یھاں تو ہر چوک پر، شارٹ کٹ کے متلاشی قادریوں کی لائن لگی ہوئی ہے

    نشتر اور پھر شوکت خانم کینسر ہسپتال میں کام کرتے ہوئے، جہاں زیریں طبی سٹاف کی اکثریت اقلیتی طبقہ سے تعلق رکھتی ہے، غیر مسلموں کے رویہ کو قریب سے دیکھنے اور سمجھنے کا موقعہ ملا. کسی بھی حالات حاضرہ کے ایشو پر اپنے ہم وطن مسلمان نوجوانوں سے بات کرنا، انکے لیے شجر ممنوعہ ہے. کسی بھی موضوع پر، سو بار سوچ اور سمجھ کر الفاظ ادا کرتے ہیں. میں نے خود بہت زیادہ کوشش اور محنت کے بعد، ان سے علیک-سلیک کے لیے اپنے خالصتا اسلامی مکالموں کی تصحیح کی. امریکی معاشرہ میں آ کر، انکی مجبوریوں کا مزید احساس ہوا

    . بھر حال موجودہ پاکستانی معاشرے کے تناظر(جہاں ہر ماہ سینکڑوں اقلیتی خاندان بھارت ہجرت کرنے پر مجبور ہیں، حتی کہ بارسوخ اقلیتی ممبران اسمبلی بھی) اور اس پورے کیس میں ہر قدم پر زور زبردستی، انصاف کے بہیمانہ قتل کو دیکھنے کے بعد، مجھے تو اس میں سے کوئی خوشی کی بات دکھائی نہیں دیتی. شکر ہے کہ اللہ پاک کی ذات، ان سب 'انسانی تعصبات اور خامیوں' سے مبرا ہے. مغرب کے انصاف پسند اور آزاد معاشرے میں روزانہ ہزاروں غیر مسلم اسلام قبول کرتے ہیں، ہمیشہ دلی مسرت کا احساس ہوتا ہے. اسلئیے، نہایت خوش قسمت ہیں وہ لوگ جنکے لیے یہ ایک بری خبر ہے


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