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    The Supreme Court of Pakistan has recently delivered the short order regarding matter of dual nationality of lawmakers, in which all members of parliament holding dual nationality have been disqualified.
    The SC’s order stated that the parliamentarians have to submit a declaration before the elections and if the same turns out to be false, he makes himself liable to be disqualified from being elected or chosen as Member Parliament or a Provincial Assembly for making misstatement or concealment of fact, and also exposes himself to criminal proceedings contemplated under sections 193, 196, 197, 198 and 199 PPC. The SC also directed all the parliamentarians to refund all monetary benefits drawn by them for the period during which they occupied the public office.
    Legally speaking, unless the proposed amendment in the Article of the Constitution dealing with the dual nationality is passed by the parliament, the SC`s judgment cannot be objected to. However, there look to be two surprising aspects in this verdict. The first one is that not only the other accused parliamentarians, but also Rehman Malik was disqualified by the SC for making misstatement or concealment of fact. According to the judgment, he was disqualified on the basis of the declaration that he submitted in 2008. We know very well that Rehman Malik had resigned from his membership and submitted a fresh declaration to the Election Commission before getting re-elected as the Senator. Perhaps, his previous declaration was the reason why he preferred resigning from his membership.
    The question is, how can Rehman Malik be disqualified despite submitting his corrected declaration? If even any previous misstatement or violation of article of the constitution can results in the complete disqualification forever, then what about the qualification the fake-degree holders? Are these not the same parliamentarians who had resigned from their seats on the advice of the Supreme Court due to presenting the forded degrees and a few of whom came back into the assemblies again? Is Jamshed Dasti not the prominent example in this respect? Didn`t Jamshed Dasti, like others, knowingly cheat the Election Commission through the fake degrees?
    When the fake degree holders can be allowed to get re-elected and constitutionally be accepted as the member of the parliament under the article under Article 63(1)(c) of the Constitution, then why not Rehman Malik? In view of the relevant provision which lays down that a person shall not be qualified from being elected or chosen as a member of an Assembly unless he is sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and amen, do the fake degree holders deserve to be called “Sadiq aur Amin”? Is submitting the incorrect declaration by the parliamentarians, more sever crime than producing the fake degrees to the Commission?
    Do the people not have the right to raise a valid question that why Rehma Malik`s re-election was declared illegal in spite of presenting the true declaration to the Election Commission? Moreover, if he can be declared disqualified for future elections too because of his past misstatement, then how can any fake degree holders be considered constitutionally qualified for the membership?
    If this is the standard of declaring people sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and “amen”, would the Supreme Court also like to express its legal view about the judges who legalized a dictator on degrading the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?? Can those judges be considered “Sadiq Aur Amin”? Have the people exposed to criminal proceedings under sections 193, 196, 197, 198 and 199 PPC due to incorrect declaration, committed more severe crime than the ones for whose crime article 6 needs be applied? Can such people ever be constitutionally, legally, ethically, morally or as per Islamic principles, deserve to hold the offices of judges? Should they be given any chance especially to decide who deserves to be called “Sadiq aur Amin”?
    We should not forget that Pervez Musharfaf has been maligned just because of violating the Constitution. Not only that, but also he is blamed for causing the loss to the country which pushed it 50 years` back. If all this is true, why should all these people including the PCO judges not be made to compensate this loss in addition to refund the monetary benefits drawn by them that they had been receiving from 12th of October 1999 to 2007? Were getting those benefits from a dictator not constitutionally invalid?
    These are all those aspects of the recently given short order of the Supreme Court that can invite more criticism against the present judges. If these things go on taking place, the time is surely going to bring major changes in the prevailing set up in the country.

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    The Supreme Court of Pakistan has recently delivered the short order regarding matter of dual nationality of lawmakers, in which all members of parliament holding dual nationality have been disqualified.
    The SC’s order stated that the parliamentarians have to submit a declaration before the elections and if the same turns out to be false, he makes himself liable to be disqualified from being elected or chosen as Member Parliament or a Provincial Assembly for making misstatement or concealment of fact, and also exposes himself to criminal proceedings contemplated under sections 193, 196, 197, 198 and 199 PPC. The SC also directed all the parliamentarians to refund all monetary benefits drawn by them for the period during which they occupied the public office.
    Legally speaking, unless the proposed amendment in the Article of the Constitution dealing with the dual nationality is passed by the parliament, the SC`s judgment cannot be objected to. However, there look to be two surprising aspects in this verdict. The first one is that not only the other accused parliamentarians, but also
    Rehman Malik was disqualified by the SC for making misstatement or concealment of fact. According to the judgment, he was disqualified on the basis of the declaration that he submitted in 2008. We know very well that Rehman Malik had resigned from his membership and submitted a fresh declaration to the Election Commission before getting re-elected as the Senator. Perhaps, his previous declaration was the reason why he preferred resigning from his membership.
    The question is, how can Rehman Malik be disqualified despite submitting his corrected declaration? If even any previous misstatement or violation of article of the constitution can results in the complete disqualification forever, then
    what about the qualification the fake-degree holders? Are these not the same parliamentarians who had resigned from their seats on the advice of the Supreme Court due to presenting the forded degrees and a few of whom came back into the assemblies again?
    Is Jamshed Dasti not the prominent example in this respect? Didn`t Jamshed Dasti, like others, knowingly cheat the Election Commission through the fake degrees?
    When the fake degree holders can be allowed to get re-elected and constitutionally be accepted as the member of the parliament under the article under Article 63(1)(c) of the Constitution, then why not Rehman Malik? In view of the relevant provision which lays down that a person shall not be qualified from being elected or chosen as a member of an Assembly unless he is sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and amen, do the fake degree holders deserve to be called “Sadiq aur Amin”? Is submitting the incorrect declaration by the parliamentarians, more sever crime than producing the fake degrees to the Commission?
    Do the people not have the right to raise a valid question that why Rehma Malik`s re-election was declared illegal in spite of presenting the true declaration to the Election Commission? Moreover, if he can be declared disqualified for future elections too because of his past misstatement, then how can any fake degree holders be considered constitutionally qualified for the membership?
    If this is the standard of declaring people sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and “amen”, would the Supreme Court also like to express its legal view about the judges who legalized a dictator on degrading the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?? Can those judges be considered “Sadiq Aur Amin”? Have the people exposed to criminal proceedings under sections 193, 196, 197, 198 and 199 PPC due to incorrect declaration, committed more severe crime than the ones for whose crime article 6 needs be applied? Can such people ever be constitutionally, legally, ethically, morally or as per Islamic principles, deserve to hold the offices of judges? Should they be given any chance especially to decide who deserves to be called “Sadiq aur Amin”?
    We should not forget that Pervez Musharfaf has been maligned just because of violating the Constitution. Not only that, but also he is blamed for causing the loss to the country which pushed it 50 years` back. If all this is true, why should all these people including the PCO judges not be made to compensate this loss in addition to refund the monetary benefits drawn by them that they had been receiving from 12th of October 1999 to 2007? Were getting those benefits from a dictator not constitutionally invalid?
    These are all those aspects of the recently given short order of the Supreme Court that can invite more criticism against the present judges. If these things go on taking place, the time is surely going to bring major changes in the prevailing set up in the country.

    Good points.
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    Mr. CJ will soon be the victim of his own judgement on PCO judges of 2007 emergency, he will have to return all the benefits and ofcourse the salary he aquired from 1999 till his presence at this position.

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    Agar Kali matta UK ka national na hota to yahi champions aaj kuch aur bool rahay hotay. Aaj kali matta nay bhi bayan deya hay kyoun kay ussay apna mustakbil tareek nazar aa raha hay.

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    Starting from the home, Supreme court should first collect dual nationality status of all Judges including judges of Supreme Court

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    mqm bhayya ik side pe ho jaein jaha se bhi meetha nzer aata he khane k lye door perte hein aap ko bhi cj se utni he nafret he jitni aaap k aakhri boss mushi ko thi ,her koi qanoon ki grift me aata he mger sirf aap hi la ilaj hein k jo ksi qanoon k daire me nhi aate .mger hisaab to ik din dena prega .12 may ka idher bhi aur allah k samne bhi .idher to bach bhi gae to udher lazmi.her supporter ko bi...kia khuda ko bhula bethe hein k shayed nhi he .mger wo he hisaab bhi khoob le ga chahe ik jaan bhi kkhtem ki gai.doosro ko 1999 se na draein apna sochjein
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    Mr. CJ will soon be the victim of his own judgement on PCO judges of 2007 emergency, he will have to return all the benefits and ofcourse the salary he aquired from 1999 till his presence at this position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamdani View Post
    Starting from the home, Supreme court should first collect dual nationality status of all Judges including judges of Supreme Court
    If it is written in constitution then they should start from home, anyway judges don't seek exile so definately they don't have dual nationalities like Altaf Thakur and co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zishi View Post
    Agar Kali matta UK ka national na hota to yahi champions aaj kuch aur bool rahay hotay. Aaj kali matta nay bhi bayan deya hay kyoun kay ussay apna mustakbil tareek nazar aa raha hay.

    Aap abhi tak BEEMAR hain.
    Altaf ko election mey hissah hi nahi lena hai.

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    If it is written in constitution then they should start from home, anyway judges don't seek exile so definately they don't have dual nationalities like Altaf Thakur and co.
    Aap Abhi tak BEEMAR hain.
    Altaf nay IMRAN GOLDSMITH ki tarah deal nahi ki thi jab MUSHARRAF era mey case bana tha us par.
    Us nay tu NRO ko bhi support nahi kiya tha. Magar IMRAN GOLDSMITH kay case ka pata hi nahi chlta hai kay kon si ADAALAT say khtam howa hai.


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    Aap Abhi tak BEEMAR hain.
    Altaf nay IMRAN GOLDSMITH ki tarah deal nahi ki thi jab MUSHARRAF era mey case bana tha us par.
    Us nay tu NRO ko bhi support nahi kiya tha. Magar IMRAN GOLDSMITH kay case ka pata hi nahi chlta hai kay kon si ADAALAT say khtam howa hai.


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    Bachay ja school main parh ja ker chutian khatam ho gaee hain, jiss tarah ka mukadima tha ussi tarah ka result nikla. Laikin IK bhagoraa nahi kay AH ke tarah UK bhag gaya aur Asylum seek kar leya.
    Jao apnay leader say kaho pahlay Pakistan aye phir baat karnaa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zishi View Post
    Agar Kali matta UK ka national na hota to yahi champions aaj kuch aur bool rahay hotay. Aaj kali matta nay bhi bayan deya hay kyoun kay ussay apna mustakbil tareek nazar aa raha hay.
    jahilon hamesha apni khudgharzi mein hi mubtla rehna, aur nasli bughz mein jal kay mur jana, adha mulk tau bughz ki nazar hogaya, nazaryati nahi nasli, shakhsi ikhtilaaf ki wajah say, issi liye tau yahan ranjit singh hero hay magar, mujeeb ur rehman zero, apni tareekhi ghalatiyon say seekhti woh qom hay jo,
    bazameer aur riyaiti system ko apna haq na samjhti ho, yahan mulk ka tuttna ghairat ka sawal na ho balkay mulk ka qayim rehna ghairat kay liye masla ho, wahan aisy ahmaqana taweelain ana ghair mamuli baat nahi hay, jo sysat mein khandani rishtedaariyon ko hi ohday baantey hon aur upney chacha bhtijon, bahuon, damadon kay ailawa kissi ko ahal hi na samjhtey hon unkay gharailu mulazim nazariya nahi zati faiday per zindagi guzarnay kay aadi hotey hain. iss reply say aapney apney maalik say wafadaari nibhayie mulk say wafadaari tau na pehlay kabhi aapkey arey ayie na ayeenda kabhi ayegi,

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    Quote Originally Posted by zishi View Post
    If it is written in constitution then they should start from home, anyway judges don't seek exile so definately they don't have dual nationalities like Altaf Thakur and co.
    abey jahil kabhi upni tareekh bhi perhi hay, kahan jaker marey woh judges jinhon ney bhutto ko phansi ki saza sunayie thi, kahan hay woh wadamuaf gawah, tum jaisey log bas wada muaf gawah banney kay liye hi ho, jab saza ka yaqeen hoga tau foran apney ghar walon kay khilaaf bhi wada muaf gawah banney mein bhi dair nahi lagao gay,

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    mqm bhayya ik side pe ho jaein jaha se bhi meetha nzer aata he khane k lye door perte hein aap ko bhi cj se utni he nafret he jitni aaap k aakhri boss mushi ko thi ,her koi qanoon ki grift me aata he mger sirf aap hi la ilaj hein k jo ksi qanoon k daire me nhi aate .mger hisaab to ik din dena prega .12 may ka idher bhi aur allah k samne bhi .idher to bach bhi gae to udher lazmi.her supporter ko bi...kia khuda ko bhula bethe hein k shayed nhi he .mger wo he hisaab bhi khoob le ga chahe ik jaan bhi kkhtem ki gai.doosro ko 1999 se na draein apna sochjein
    uskay liye aap ko upney garebaan mein jhankna chayie, kah herkoi qanoon ki grift mein ata hay magar sirf woh nahi jo her kaam qanoon kay dairey mein reh kar kerta hay, CJ bhi qanoon kay dairey mein reh kar ager kaam kerayga tau bacha hua hay warna woh bhi uski grift say bahar nahi hay, aap ney tau lagta hay maujooda CJ ko hi upna khuda maan liya hay, jo khud house building ka loan lay ker upney anokhay ladlay ki sahdi mein paisey luta day woh khud konsa Sadiq aur Ameen hua., issi liye kaha gaya tha Allah jis qom say naraz hota hay uskay sab say na-ahal shakhs ko insaaf ka qazi bana daita hay, takey poori qom uska azaab bardasht karsakey.

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    jahilon hamesha apni khudgharzi mein hi mubtla rehna, aur nasli bughz mein jal kay mur jana, adha mulk tau bughz ki nazar hogaya, nazaryati nahi nasli, shakhsi ikhtilaaf ki wajah say, issi liye tau yahan ranjit singh hero hay magar, mujeeb ur rehman zero, apni tareekhi ghalatiyon say seekhti woh qom hay jo,
    bazameer aur riyaiti system ko apna haq na samjhti ho, yahan mulk ka tuttna ghairat ka sawal na ho balkay mulk ka qayim rehna ghairat kay liye masla ho, wahan aisy ahmaqana taweelain ana ghair mamuli baat nahi hay, jo sysat mein khandani rishtedaariyon ko hi ohday baantey hon aur upney chacha bhtijon, bahuon, damadon kay ailawa kissi ko ahal hi na samjhtey hon unkay gharailu mulazim nazariya nahi zati faiday per zindagi guzarnay kay aadi hotey hain. iss reply say aapney apney maalik say wafadaari nibhayie mulk say wafadaari tau na pehlay kabhi aapkey arey ayie na ayeenda kabhi ayegi,
    Chal bay salay apni takreer ja kay kalli matta, Pakistan kay ghaddar aur UK kay wafadar ko sunna. Chal hatt buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanov View Post
    abey jahil kabhi upni tareekh bhi perhi hay, kahan jaker marey woh judges jinhon ney bhutto ko phansi ki saza sunayie thi, kahan hay woh wadamuaf gawah, tum jaisey log bas wada muaf gawah banney kay liye hi ho, jab saza ka yaqeen hoga tau foran apney ghar walon kay khilaaf bhi wada muaf gawah banney mein bhi dair nahi lagao gay,
    Aaj Bhutto per bara pyar aa raha hay uss waqt kahan they jab Benazir nay operation karwaya tha, ham jaisay nahi Altaf Jaisay harami jo dosray mulkoon main jaa ker Pakistan main target killing ka business kartay hain, chal bhag yahan say ajata hay ganwar kaheen ka apni takreer karnay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zishi View Post
    Chal bay salay apni takreer ja kay kalli matta, Pakistan kay ghaddar aur UK kay wafadar ko sunna. Chal hatt buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr.
    agaey apni khandani auqat mein, upney khandan kay pehlay taleem yafata magar ghair tarbiyat yafta ganwar, upney baap say baat nahi ker rahay ho, jo tumharey ghar ka andaaz hay apney ghar tak hi rakho, tumharey ghar mein sharafat nahi hogi, laikin bahar shurfa rehtay hain, aur yeh forum thmharey baap ki miras nahi hay public forum hay apni zaat na dikhao, chammar, jahilzada

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    Quote Originally Posted by zishi View Post
    Bachay ja school main parh ja ker chutian khatam ho gaee hain, jiss tarah ka mukadima tha ussi tarah ka result nikla. Laikin IK bhagoraa nahi kay AH ke tarah UK bhag gaya aur Asylum seek kar leya.
    Jao apnay leader say kaho pahlay Pakistan aye phir baat karnaa.

    Yah hota hai advantage SIN OF SOIL (not son of soil) honay kaa.
    MQM kay khelaf jo whole sale rate par muqadmay banay thay, woh bhi aesay hi thay magar khtam nahi howay.
    Magar SIN OF SOILS (not son of soil) kay muqadmay khtam hogaie. Kyon nahi usnay ADALAT say ruju kiya, champion of justice bantay hain magar apnay liyay nahi.

    IK ko bolo kay L.A court mey jo uskay khelaf faisla hai, usko challenge karey, na bhagay us say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zishi View Post
    If it is written in constitution then they should start from home, anyway judges don't seek exile so definately they don't have dual nationalities like Altaf Thakur and co.
    Perhaps you forgot the judge who brokered & approved the deal in Raymond Davis case... he's now living in Dubai...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xzavier View Post
    The Supreme Court of Pakistan has recently delivered the short order regarding matter of dual nationality of lawmakers, in which all members of parliament holding dual nationality have been disqualified.
    The SC’s order stated that the parliamentarians have to submit a declaration before the elections and if the same turns out to be false, he makes himself liable to be disqualified from being elected or chosen as Member Parliament or a Provincial Assembly for making misstatement or concealment of fact, and also exposes himself to criminal proceedings contemplated under sections 193, 196, 197, 198 and 199 PPC. The SC also directed all the parliamentarians to refund all monetary benefits drawn by them for the period during which they occupied the public office.
    Legally speaking, unless the proposed amendment in the Article of the Constitution dealing with the dual nationality is passed by the parliament, the SC`s judgment cannot be objected to. However, there look to be two surprising aspects in this verdict. The first one is that not only the other accused parliamentarians, but also Rehman Malik was disqualified by the SC for making misstatement or concealment of fact. According to the judgment, he was disqualified on the basis of the declaration that he submitted in 2008. We know very well that Rehman Malik had resigned from his membership and submitted a fresh declaration to the Election Commission before getting re-elected as the Senator. Perhaps, his previous declaration was the reason why he preferred resigning from his membership.
    The question is, how can Rehman Malik be disqualified despite submitting his corrected declaration? If even any previous misstatement or violation of article of the constitution can results in the complete disqualification forever, then what about the qualification the fake-degree holders? Are these not the same parliamentarians who had resigned from their seats on the advice of the Supreme Court due to presenting the forded degrees and a few of whom came back into the assemblies again? Is Jamshed Dasti not the prominent example in this respect? Didn`t Jamshed Dasti, like others, knowingly cheat the Election Commission through the fake degrees?
    When the fake degree holders can be allowed to get re-elected and constitutionally be accepted as the member of the parliament under the article under Article 63(1)(c) of the Constitution, then why not Rehman Malik? In view of the relevant provision which lays down that a person shall not be qualified from being elected or chosen as a member of an Assembly unless he is sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and amen, do the fake degree holders deserve to be called “Sadiq aur Amin”? Is submitting the incorrect declaration by the parliamentarians, more sever crime than producing the fake degrees to the Commission?
    Do the people not have the right to raise a valid question that why Rehma Malik`s re-election was declared illegal in spite of presenting the true declaration to the Election Commission? Moreover, if he can be declared disqualified for future elections too because of his past misstatement, then how can any fake degree holders be considered constitutionally qualified for the membership?
    If this is the standard of declaring people sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and “amen”, would the Supreme Court also like to express its legal view about the judges who legalized a dictator on degrading the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?? Can those judges be considered “Sadiq Aur Amin”? Have the people exposed to criminal proceedings under sections 193, 196, 197, 198 and 199 PPC due to incorrect declaration, committed more severe crime than the ones for whose crime article 6 needs be applied? Can such people ever be constitutionally, legally, ethically, morally or as per Islamic principles, deserve to hold the offices of judges? Should they be given any chance especially to decide who deserves to be called “Sadiq aur Amin”?
    We should not forget that Pervez Musharfaf has been maligned just because of violating the Constitution. Not only that, but also he is blamed for causing the loss to the country which pushed it 50 years` back. If all this is true, why should all these people including the PCO judges not be made to compensate this loss in addition to refund the monetary benefits drawn by them that they had been receiving from 12th of October 1999 to 2007? Were getting those benefits from a dictator not constitutionally invalid?
    These are all those aspects of the recently given short order of the Supreme Court that can invite more criticism against the present judges. If these things go on taking place, the time is surely going to bring major changes in the prevailing set up in the country.
    Good points..
    Is this Iftikhar Ch***** Sadiq & Amin?? ... A judge's main weapon is MORAL AUTHORITY and this Iftikhar Ch**** hasn't any.
    No doubt all his judgements are treated as toilet paper, even by a person like Zardari..

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