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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed107 View Post
    The whole program and the question & answers were just to pave the way and justification for his future programs of self style islam.
    He is always talking about terrorism, suicide bombers, extremists, women issues, this is all music to ears of Zionist, but he never talks about bombing of innocent women and children, state torture of prisoners or occupation of muslim lands ,plunder of resources, imposing pornography.
    so your rant is based on "assumptions" of what he will do in the future rather than the current program?

    Like I said before, he is not a political leader but a religious scholar. What on earth have all that you have mentioned (bombing of innocent women and children, state torture of prisoners or occupation of muslim lands ,plunder of resources, imposing pornography) got to do with the topic of today??

    So if he talking against terrorism, suicide bombings, extremism, women issues , etc they are not music to your ears? are you supporting these things?

    And he has talked about pornography, corruption, Islamic khilafat and system of govt, islamic banking, hereditary laws, marriage laws, etc in the past in the wekkly series "live with Javed Ahmad Ghamidi" on AAJ tv, not only once but on numerous occasions with live questions via telephone from viewers.

    Again as for the Gaza comments, that is not the topic under discussion and he is not a political leader. Its upto govt. officials and political leaders to be talking about Gaza, occupation of muslim lands. He's purely a religious scholar so don't confuse him with your local mullah who also happens to be a member of MMA or some party and calls for protests and burning of Israeli flag + damaging properties (whatever the logic there i dont know) and then ask you for some chanda for the ever under-construction masjids.

    As I see it, its some issue of what he said but a fear of a conspiracy theory that is making you skeptical. Is that the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistani111 View Post
    Bhai aap to bari achi angrezi bolte hain. kiya gaza ke log musalman nahi hain aur kiya is par sirf siyasat daan hi baat karein. sab se achi baat to ghamdi sahab jaise islami rahnuma hi kar sakte hain. mein to inki taraf dekhta hoon islami masle ke hal ke liye kyun ke agar musalmano ko mara jaye to yeh ik islami masla bhi hota hai.
    dosri baat aap ki achi lagi ke topic to gaza nahi tha. waise yeh baat kuch relevant to nahi lagti magar islami tareekh ka hissa hai is liye bata deta hoon bari mazahiya baat hai... jab halaku khan ne baghdad par hamla kiya to us waqt wahan ke aalim e deen kafi arse se kisi aur topic par bahas kar rahe they. janab us waqt tv thori tha jo unhe pata chal jata ke halaku halaak karne aa raha hai.
    Jee han mujhay angrayzi be khaasa abur hasil hai. thori koshish aap bhee karen to aap bhee achhe bhali bol langay. werna angrezi haruf istamal kerke urdu likhna kuch baat nahi banti.

    so to anwser your question, we need people who speak about political problems but also people who speak about our own problems and help us understand our Deen better. If you are so interested, you should look for Ghamidi's program about the concept of jihad in islam and the obligations under current scenario. He has talked about it in details on that program.
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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by CroissantLBV View Post
    so your rant is based on "assumptions" of what he will do in the future rather than the current program?

    Like I said before, he is not a political leader but a religious scholar. What on earth have all that you have mentioned (bombing of innocent women and children, state torture of prisoners or occupation of muslim lands ,plunder of resources, imposing pornography) got to do with the topic of today??

    So if he talking against terrorism, suicide bombings, extremism, women issues , etc they are not music to your ears? are you supporting these things?

    And he has talked about pornography, corruption, Islamic khilafat and system of govt, islamic banking, hereditary laws, marriage laws, etc in the past in the wekkly series "live with Javed Ahmad Ghamidi" on AAJ tv, not only once but on numerous occasions with live questions via telephone from viewers.

    Again as for the Gaza comments, that is not the topic under discussion and he is not a political leader. Its upto govt. officials and political leaders to be talking about Gaza, occupation of muslim lands. He's purely a religious scholar so don't confuse him with your local mullah who also happens to be a member of MMA or some party and calls for protests and burning of Israeli flag + damaging properties (whatever the logic there i dont know) and then ask you for some chanda for the ever under-construction masjids.

    As I see it, its some issue of what he said but a fear of a conspiracy theory that is making you skeptical. Is that the case?

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    Jee han mujhay angrayzi be khaasa abur hasil hai. thori koshish aap bhee karen to aap bhee achhe bhali bol langay. werna angrezi haruf istamal kerke urdu likhna kuch baat nahi banti.

    so to anwser your question, we need people who speak about political problems but also people who speak about our own problems and help us understand our Deen better. If you are so interested, you should look for Ghamidi's program about the concept of jihad in islam and the obligations under current scenario. He has talked about it in details on that program.
    and you know what response you are about to get aganist your whole argument (which to me sound very logical) is "app too naraz ho gie, hum too sirf itna keh rahe hai ke kio keh Ghamdi Gaza peh discuss nahi karte iss lie woh west keh pahtoo hai" (just kidding)

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Nofel View Post
    and you know what response you are about to get aganist your whole argument (which to me sound very logical) is "app too naraz ho gie, hum too sirf itna keh rahe hai ke kio keh Ghamdi Gaza peh discuss nahi karte iss lie woh west keh pahtoo hai" (just kidding)

    lol

    but hey, at least someone thinks what I am saying is right so it makes a difference.

    Also, even if people do not respond positively on the forum but start thinking for themselves and learn to become more tolerant then its a win-win situation. After all, that's the message in this program.

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

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    so your rant is based on "assumptions" of what he will do in the future rather than the current program?

    Like I said before, he is not a political leader but a religious scholar. What on earth have all that you have mentioned (bombing of innocent women and children, state torture of prisoners or occupation of muslim lands ,plunder of resources, imposing pornography) got to do with the topic of today??

    So if he talking against terrorism, suicide bombings, extremism, women issues , etc they are not music to your ears? are you supporting these things?

    And he has talked about pornography, corruption, Islamic khilafat and system of govt, islamic banking, hereditary laws, marriage laws, etc in the past in the wekkly series "live with Javed Ahmad Ghamidi" on AAJ tv, not only once but on numerous occasions with live questions via telephone from viewers.

    Again as for the Gaza comments, that is not the topic under discussion and he is not a political leader. Its upto govt. officials and political leaders to be talking about Gaza, occupation of muslim lands. He's purely a religious scholar so don't confuse him with your local mullah who also happens to be a member of MMA or some party and calls for protests and burning of Israeli flag + damaging properties (whatever the logic there i dont know) and then ask you for some chanda for the ever under-construction masjids.

    As I see it, its some issue of what he said but a fear of a conspiracy theory that is making you skeptical. Is that the case?
    If you havent got the vision to see who is conspiring to change you to except western ideology than I feel sorry for you.
    So talking about terrorism is ok, but killing of innocent with aeroplanes is not his subject, you have very short vision.
    Yes he talks about some of subjects you mentioned and that is in the same way BBC, fox cnn or sky news put stories of the other view to make them look impartial.
    If you believe they are neutral than you have series

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed107 View Post
    If you havent got the vision to see who is conspiring to change you to except western ideology than I feel sorry for you.
    So talking about terrorism is ok, but killing of innocent with aeroplanes is not his subject, you have very short vision.
    Yes he talks about some of subjects you mentioned and that is in the same way BBC, fox cnn or sky news put stories of the other view to make them look impartial.
    If you believe they are neutral than you have series
    well thanks for proving my point. So it is the "conspiracy theory " that makes you skeptical.

    You failed to state one single thing he said wrong and want to talk about terrorism. Was that even discussed in this program? no

    All he said in this program is that we should be tolerant, educate ourselves and only accept things that have a solid reasoning behind them.

    Looks like someone doesn't like that idea

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    Aray Bhai aap to naraz he ho gie - Ghamdi sahib agar is program main palestinian musalmanoon ki support mian naheen boolay kiyon keh yeh program ka mozoon he naheen tha. Bhai aap tu un kay peechay he par giay - Chaleen unhoon nay jin batoon ka zikar kiya hay un par he thora sa behas kar lain- Aap key khial main wo ghalat hain kiya -

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Ghamdi is a Fitna and a dajjal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    Ghamdi is a Fitna and a dajjal.
    And the whole discussion is over.
    you should be the first post in this thread so we would not had wasted our time.

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    Ghamdi is a Fitna and a dajjal.
    Please go and blow yourself up in frond of Ghamidi Sb and save the muslim ummah from this great Fitna and dajjal...I'm sure at least 72 chicks must be waiting for you in eternal place!

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    well thanks for proving my point. So it is the "conspiracy theory " that makes you skeptical.

    You failed to state one single thing he said wrong and want to talk about terrorism. Was that even discussed in this program? no

    All he said in this program is that we should be tolerant, educate ourselves and only accept things that have a solid reasoning behind them.

    Looks like someone doesn't like that idea
    I see from some of the comments, gahmadi followers hate molvis, they muck islam and molveis,
    that tells me all about gahmadis views.
    Conspiracy theory yes, that is how the enemy works.
    I have been talking about his agenda not this program, which I have already said the program and the question & answers were just to pave the way and justification for his future programs with no counter view.
    I like tolerance but not his type, without haq.
    He calls appeasing, tolerance that is not Islamic.
    You have to put the haterat of molvis aside to see through gahmadi.

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    IMHO! Ghamidi is defending Ulemas more than Ulemas can defend themselves (But I think we need to respect Ulema and give them some status so that our most intelligent people come to religion and we can again have Ulema like Abu Hanifa or Ibn e Taymiyyah)

    And Jazakallah brother for such a nice program!!!

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    IMHO! Ghamidi is defending Ulemas more than Ulemas can defend themselves (But I think we need to respect Ulema and give them some status so that our most intelligent people come to religion and we can again have Ulema like Abu Hanifa or Ibn e Taymiyyah)

    And Jazakallah brother for such a nice program!!!

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    Basic idea is that Muslims must be students all their lives, we must read all the different aalim and Quran and Hadith. this is hard work. but to become true muslim, we must continue to read and understand. If large number of people follow this, then fitna will become less.

    Ghamdi makes sense to me. but it doen't mean he is my peer. I must now read more tafaaseer and books by aalims.

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    تونے پو چھی ھے امامت کی حقیقت مجھ سے

    حق تجھے میری طرح صاحب اسرار کرے

    ھے وھی تیرے زمانے کا ا ما م بر حق

    جو تجھے حا ظر و موجود سے بیزار کرے

    د ے کے احساس زیاں تیرا لہو گرما دے


    فقر کی سان چڑھا کر تجھے تلوار کرے


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    Quote Originally Posted by fkfkfk View Post
    Basic idea is that Muslims must be students all their lives, we must read all the different aalim and Quran and Hadith. this is hard work. but to become true muslim, we must continue to read and understand. If large number of people follow this, then fitna will become less.

    Ghamdi makes sense to me. but it doen't mean he is my peer. I must now read more tafaaseer and books by aalims.
    SHABASH God bless you
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    Please go and blow yourself up in frond of Ghamidi Sb and save the muslim ummah from this great Fitna and dajjal...I'm sure at least 72 chicks must be waiting for you in eternal place!

    lol!!!

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    I have posted Aghaz with Aniq Ahmed, Live with talat, Musharaf, Dr Shahid Masood & so many other, so does it mean that am spreading their ideology??
    That's the main cause of our today's problem, we want only objections not the solutions
    Next time be careful while blaming others & going personal If you don't know than go & read rules of the section
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    hard so see the reason y u are taking his comment personal.
    i think he was commenting on the program and it was his opinion and everyone should respect it.

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed107 View Post
    I see from some of the comments, gahmadi followers hate molvis, they muck islam and molveis,

    He calls appeasing, tolerance that is not Islamic.
    You have to put the haterat of molvis aside to see through gahmadi.

    Are you talking about this program or any other program? As I didn't heard a single thing in this program in which Ghamidi Sb was trying to appease any body? Please educate us about the "Fitna" in your opinion Javed Ghamidi Sb is propagating?

    And "Tolerance is not islamic"? I really wonder from where you learn these things!

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    and you know what response you are about to get aganist your whole argument (which to me sound very logical) is "app too naraz ho gie, hum too sirf itna keh rahe hai ke kio keh Ghamdi Gaza peh discuss nahi karte iss lie woh west keh pahtoo hai" (just kidding)
    hhahahahah that was the good one Nofel. Yeh sahab jo yeh kehtay haain na "Bhai app too naraz hi hoo gaye haain" asal mai yeh khud naraz ho jatay haain au batana nai chahatay kay mai naraz hoon :DDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whaat View Post
    hhahahahah that was the good one Nofel. Yeh sahab jo yeh kehtay haain na "Bhai app too naraz hi hoo gaye haain" asal mai yeh khud naraz ho jatay haain au batana nai chahatay kay mai naraz hoon :DDD

    Bhai aag to aap ko lagti hai jab koi ghamdi ke bare mein kuch acha bhi kahe lol. waise mein ne to achi umeed rakhi thi ke woh kuch farmain ge gaza ke bare mein, yeh to ek positive baat thhi aap isko ulta le gaye. daal mein kuch kala hai.
    mere ik dost hai usko bhi molvi achey nahi lagte hain, pata nahi kehta hai molvio ne uske saath bachpan mein kuch galat kiya, batata nahi kiya kia bechara, bas molvio ke khilaaf baat karta rahta hai.
    waise mein ne yeh program dekha to bara acha laga. ghamdi sahab ne khud iqrar kiya sab logon ke samne ke woh apne ustadon se bhi ikhtilaaf karte hain. cha gaye ghamdi sahab na, kisi ke aage jhukte nahi. yeh baat record per aagayi hai ke woh aaj kal ke daur mein har kisi islami scholar aur molvi se ikhtilaaf karte hain. mujhe to ghamdi sahab achay psychiatrist maloom hote hain.
    dosri achi baat unho ne yeh kahi ke har daur mein sirf do teen aise ullema hote hain jo logon ko sahi islam bate hain. ghamdi sahab thora aajzi se kam le rahe they kyun ke is daur mein to wohi ek shama nazar aate hain, baqi sab se to ikhtilaaf hai na. cha gaye ghamdi sahab , wohi ek achay aalim hain jo hamein sahi raasta dikha sakte hain.

    ek aur bhai ne yeh kaha ke gaza ek politics ka masla hai aur is par siyasat daan hi bolein. janab yeh baat to aap ki thori galat lagti hai, kyun ke ya to aap gaza walon ko support nahi karte ya phir karte hain to phir kis basis per support karte hain kyun ke aap to isko religious ke bajaye politics issue bana rahe hain. kia musalmano ko maar pare aur koi bora bhi na kahe ise? kiya yeh halaat ho gaye hain hum logon ke ke ab humein apne musalmaan bhayion ka itna bhi khiyal nahi hai aur hum in maslon ko politics issue kar ke bas dosri taraf face phir lete hain. agar aap par yeh waqt aya to aap kiya karein ge. aap ki baat sun ke mein bara dar gaya hoon aap ke liye. yeh ek musallama haqeeqat hai ke jaise karo ge waise bharo ge. tanqeed baraye tanqeed achi bat nahi hoti , agar mein ne koi achi suggestion di thi to iska jawab aap ne aise diya.

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    Re: Ghamdi 11th January 2009

    Bhai kiya hu jawaba nahi diya kisi ne. kiya men ne lajawab kar dia.

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